Potpomognuto samoubistvo: Eutanazija...Milost ili ubistvo?

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Assisted suicide is the process by which an individual, who may otherwise be incapable, is provided with the means (drugs or equipment) to commit suicide. In some cases, the terms aid in dying or death with dignity are preferred.  

    The term euthanasia refers to an act that ends a life in a painless manner, performed by someone other than the patient. This may include withholding common treatments resulting in death, removal of the patient from life support, or the use of lethal substances or forces to end the life of the patient.



    How do you feel about these practices? Are they merciful? Or are we playing God?
    Should assisted suicide remain illegal in your opinion?


                                                                          PMM

    Potpomognuto samoubistvo je proces kojim se pojedincu, koji inače može biti nesposoban, obezbjeđuju sredstva (droge ili oprema) da izvrši samoubistvo. U nekim slučajevima preferiraju se izrazi pomoć u umiranju ili smrti sa dostojanstvom.

    Izraz eutanazija se odnosi na čin kojim se okončava život na bezbolan način, a koji je izvršio neko drugi, a ne pacijent. Ovo može uključivati uskraćivanje uobičajenih tretmana koji rezultiraju smrću, uklanjanje pacijenta sa održavanja života ili upotrebu smrtonosnih supstanci ili sile da se prekine život pacijenta.



    Šta mislite o ovim praksama? Da li su milosrdni? Ili se igramo Boga?
    Da li po vašem mišljenju potpomognuto samoubistvo treba da ostane nezakonito?


    PMM

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The problem here is WHO gets to "assist."  The wife who is sick of her husband's gambling?  The daughter who wants to inherit the moolah?  The son who has a social cause to prove? 

    The terminally ill "kill" themselves all the time by not eating.  A common practice you see in Hospice setting for example. 

    Since the one who "assists" is such a very, very problematic position, I would have to say NO to assited suicide.

    Problem je ovde KO može da "pomaže". Žena kojoj je muka od muževljevog kockanja? Ćerka koja želi da nasledi mulu? Sin koji ima društveni razlog da dokaže?

    Smrtonosni bolesnici se stalno "ubijaju" ne jedući. Uobičajena praksa koju vidite, na primer, u hospisu.

    Pošto je onaj ko „pomaže“ tako veoma, veoma problematičan položaj, morao bih da kažem NE pokušaju samoubistva.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Once again it's someone else's choice to make...not ours and who are we to say you can't kill yourself? Unless it directly effects me than it's not my say......I think the only time it is legal is if your are dying anyways, and why not......if I knew 100% that I was gonna die a slow and painful death with much suffering and NO possibility of recovering, then YES.....I would want that option available to me. I don't see that as killing at all....if you saw a bug that got stepped on squiggling around with half it's insides hanging out, would you squish it and put it out of it's misery, or sit there and watch it to see how long it will take for it to stop moving?????  And for those of you who say they would squish it, do you feel better that you helped the little bugger out or sit there and say, damn i just killed it!!! We have been doing this to animals for years now. If something is wrong that can't be fixed we put it down, if it's injured and in pain....we put it down, and this is what we call being humane, so why not do it with humans?

    Još jednom, to je nečiji izbor... ne naš i ko smo mi da kažemo da ne možete da se ubijete? Osim ako to direktno utiče na mene, to nije moja reč......mislim da je jedino legalno ako ionako umireš, a zašto da ne......ako sam znao 100% da ću umreti spora i bolna smrt sa mnogo patnje i NEMA mogućnosti oporavka, onda DA.....želeo bih da mi ta opcija bude dostupna. Ja to uopšte ne vidim kao ubijanje....ako ste videli bubu koja je zgažena da se vrpolji sa pola njene unutrašnjosti koja visi, da li biste je zgnječili i izbacili iz bede, ili sedeli tamo i gledali je da vidim koliko će trebati da prestane da se kreće????? A za one od vas koji kažu da bi ga zgnječili, da li se osećate bolje što ste pomogli malom kretenu da izađe ili sedite tamo i kažete, dođavola, upravo sam ga ubio!!! Ovo već godinama radimo životinjama. Ako nešto nije u redu što se ne može popraviti mi to spustimo, ako je povređeno i boli....mi to spustimo, i to je ono što zovemo humanost, pa zašto to ne bismo uradili sa ljudima?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The terminally ill "kill" themselves all the time by not eating.  A common practice you see in Hospice setting for example. 

    My daughter is a Hospice nurse and she has told me this same thing many times. God bless her I don't know how she deals with it but she loves her job. I don't know how to answer the question but I do know my personal feelings about it. If I was terminally ill, I would think it was an act of mercy and I would never ask anyone to assist me unless the suffering was unbearable. Could I assist someone myself, I don't think so.

    Smrtonosni bolesnici se stalno "ubijaju" ne jedući. Uobičajena praksa koju vidite, na primer, u hospisu.

    Moja ćerka je medicinska sestra u Hospisu i to mi je rekla mnogo puta. Bog je blagoslovio, ne znam kako se nosi sa tim, ali voli svoj posao. Ne znam kako da odgovorim na pitanje, ali znam svoja lična osećanja o tome. Da sam smrtno bolestan, mislio bih da je to čin milosrđa i nikada ne bih tražio od bilo koga da mi pomogne osim ako je patnja nepodnošljiva. Da li bih mogao sam da pomognem nekome, mislim da ne.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think there are two separate issues we are mixing.  First, the RIGHT to die.  I think most people would agree a terminally ill person has the right to chose that....self starvation for example.

    But, the topic was ASSISTED suicide.  My point keeps coming back to WHO gets to be the one to ASSIST.  How in the world would we regulate who the mercy killers were in the USA?

    Mislim da postoje dva odvojena pitanja koja mešamo. Prvo, PRAVO na smrt. Mislim da bi se većina ljudi složila da smrtno bolesna osoba ima pravo da izabere to... na primer samogladnjivanje.

    Ali, tema je bila POMOĆNO samoubistvo. Moja poenta se stalno vraća na KO će biti taj koji će POMOĆI. Kako bismo, za ime sveta, regulisali ko su ubice milosrđa u SAD?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to assist a suicide don't you have to be some kind of professional in the medical field??......That's who should and maybe do assist with that...............

    Ispravite me ako grešim, ali da biste pomogli samoubistvu, zar ne morate da budete neki profesionalci u oblasti medicine??......Eto ko treba i možda treba da pomogne u tome... ............

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Hi PMM,

    I am really split on this. Speaking in "general" I would say if that person is suffering so badly then they should have that right to die.

    On a emotional level i can't ever imagine someone that i love being put to death as in a mercy killing.

    I think as humans we are selfish when it comes to letting go. Caring for someone and loving them is a powerful thing. Seeing them suffer is excruciating to watch. But we are creatures of hope and miracles.

    Would we forever wonder if it was the right thing?

    I remember a famous quote: True love is wanting your partner to die first.......to carry on the burden and the pain of the loss. There is some truth in that. How many times have we all said.......i want to die first....i can't bear to live without you?

    Lips
    Zdravo PMM,

    Zaista sam podeljen oko ovoga. Govoreći „uopšteno“, rekao bih da ako ta osoba tako teško pati, onda treba da ima pravo da umre.

    Na emotivnom nivou, ne mogu da zamislim da neko koga volim da bude ubijen kao ubistvo iz milosrđa.

    Mislim da smo kao ljudi sebični kada je u pitanju otpuštanje. Briga za nekoga i ljubav prema njemu je moćna stvar. Gledati ih kako pate je mučno gledati. Ali mi smo stvorenja nade i čuda.

    Da li bismo se zauvek pitali da li je to bila prava stvar?

    Sećam se poznatog citata: Prava ljubav je želja da vaš partner umre prvi.......da nosite teret i bol gubitka. Ima istine u tome. Koliko puta smo svi rekli.......želim da umrem prvi....ne mogu da podnesem da živim bez tebe?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Satans......Right..that is what I am talking about.  Who gets to be the "mercy killer" in the medical field?  Who decides?  How much power do they have?  How will they be regulated?  Some HUGE ethical questions here.

    Now...if Obama's heath care package goes through, perhaps the "Death Pannels" will decide!  smiley

    Satane......Tako je..to je ono o čemu govorim. Ko će biti "ubica milosrđa" u oblasti medicine? Ko odlučuje? Koliko snage imaju? Kako će oni biti regulisani? Ovde su neka OGROMNA etička pitanja.

    Sada...ako Obamin paket zdravstvene zaštite prođe, možda će odlučiti "Paneli smrti"! smiley

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I have "Heard" about people on an operating table and when the surgeon opened them, they then saw just how advanced the disease (Usually cancer) had advanced, they'd tell the anestelogist to let the patient "Sleep a bit deeper" (In other words, gas them to death)

    This was before the question of assisted suicide came up. I believe the law in Oregon permits this to occur, if you can find a doctor who'll prescribe the drugs to do this.

    Personally, I'm split as to either helping them die, or trying drugs which do kill the pain. I know some cancers (Bone) are terribly hard to nullify the pain and it can be very painful death.

    But yes, I'd leave it to the patient and of course a 3 doctor panel to decide IF the disease is a terminal one.

    It is said in the bible one should "Choose Life" but when that comes to a pain that leaves you moaning hour by hour racked with pain no drug can fully take away, then how would you be if it was you?

    „Čuo sam“ za ljude na operacionom stolu i kada ih je hirurg otvorio, onda su videli koliko je bolest (obično rak) uznapredovala, rekli bi anestelogu da dopusti pacijentu „da spava malo dublje“ ( Drugim rečima, gasi ih do smrti)

    To je bilo pre nego što se pojavilo pitanje asistiranog samoubistva. Verujem da zakon u Oregonu dozvoljava da se to dogodi, ako nađete doktora koji će vam prepisati lekove za ovo.

    Lično, ja sam podeljen ili da im pomognem da umru, ili da probam lekove koji ubijaju bol. Znam da je neke vrste raka (kosti) strašno teško poništiti bol i to može biti veoma bolna smrt.

    Ali da, prepustio bih pacijentu i naravno panelu od 3 lekara da odluči DA LI je bolest terminalna.

    U bibliji se kaže da treba „izabrati život“, ali kada dođe do bola zbog kojeg stenjate iz sata u sat premoreni bolom nijedan lek ne može u potpunosti da ukloni, kako biste bili da ste to bili vi?

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