In a job interview, would you disclose the fact that you've been unemployed for the past year due to your depression and anxiety disorder? Do you think disclosing this info to your potential employer would work against your getting the job? Anyone here been in similar situation? Please chime in and let me know your thoughts on this and how you handled it.
Same question, but this time, instead of depression, say its cancer. Would you be open about your cancer in a job interview?
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Na razgovoru za posao, da li biste otkrili činjenicu da ste poslednjih godinu dana bili nezaposleni zbog depresije i anksioznog poremećaja? Da li mislite da bi otkrivanje ovih informacija vašem potencijalnom poslodavcu bilo protivno da dobijete posao? Da li je neko ovde bio u sličnoj situaciji? Molimo vas da se javite i javite mi svoje mišljenje o ovome i kako ste to rešili.
Isto pitanje, ali ovog puta, umesto depresije, recite njen rak. Da li biste bili otvoreni o svom raku na intervjuu za posao? -
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At work I interview people often. I personally would not exclude a candidate for a job based on the issues you've mentioned. Although the majority of excuses for being unemployed are economy related and most would not be as honest to admit mental or emotional health issues. As long as you possess the qualifications to do what I need, I couldn't care less about your personal life.
Here's an interesting piece of information related to resumes and interviewing. If I reject a candidate based on the content of their resume without meeting with them or having them phone screened, I must explain and provide valid reasons for passing on them. I cannot simply just say i'll pass. This is all government regulated. Point being I better have a damn good reason for rejecting your application that's based on skills and not emotions or my opinions of you personally.
Since many may not share my open mind, I would skip the disclosure and blame it on the economy!Na poslu često intervjuišem ljude. Ja lično ne bih isključio kandidata za posao na osnovu pitanja koje ste pomenuli. Iako je većina izgovora za nezaposlenost povezana sa ekonomijom i većina ne bi bila toliko iskrena da prizna probleme mentalnog ili emocionalnog zdravlja. Sve dok poseduješ kvalifikacije da radiš ono što je meni potrebno, nije me briga za tvoj lični život.
Evo jedne zanimljive informacije u vezi sa biografijom i intervjuisanjem. Ako odbijem kandidata na osnovu sadržaja njegovog životopisa, a da se nisam sastao sa njim ili da mu nisam proveravao telefonski poziv, moram da objasnim i navedem valjane razloge za odlazak. Ne mogu jednostavno reći da ću proći. Sve ovo reguliše vlada. Poenta je da je bolje da imam prokleto dobar razlog da odbijem vašu prijavu zasnovan na veštinama, a ne na emocijama ili mom mišljenju o vama lično.
Pošto mnogi možda ne dele moj otvoreni um, preskočio bih otkrivanje i za to okrivio ekonomiju! -
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Okay this is how my daughter got a job...
She got a call for a job she applied to and wanted that job really badly..
He called, and asked her.. Can you be here in 20 minutes and we can conduct
an interview, your application looks very promising..
Okay she was running around all excited, MOM i got an INTERVIEW.. get dressed mom
lets go, her having to get dressed also in a hurry.. She found a pair of pants, worn the night before still clean, she slipped them on, out on a nice top, in the car put a little make-up on, she looked really nice..
On the way she said Mom.. theres some kind of lump or something in the leg
of my pants she couldn't figure out what it was, thinking it was just the pants
someway twisted, anyways being so excited she didn't worry about it...
We arrived i parked, and she went inside, sat a moment and within a few minutes
the gentleman came out, she stood up.. walked over to the man to shake his hand
and as she did.. her thong flew out the bottom of her pants leg..on the floor right
in front of him.. imagine his face.. thinking ..umm.. do i have that effect on woman..
umm.. her face in so much embarressment.. trying to explain.. how the heck it got there..the interview, neither could keep a straight face, speechless, and her so timidly
in such embarressment, this just doesn't happen everyday
both trying to hold in laughter.. she embarressingly asked.. could we do this another time.. he told her no.. no need you are hired...you simply made my day..
Her walking to the car with her thong in her hand.. smiling, explained what happen
i couldn't even drive!
this is the original post thread btw, its very funny alot of things said in this thread...
https://lcb.org/onlinecasinobonusforum/general-discussion/most-embarressing-moment/
Ishin, i do beleive jobs will base you on your history, you have a good history, i beleive your chances are better. This is my own personal opinion, here now jobs even will base you on your TRW, your credit rating also your background history of say anything criminal. But medical .. could be a different story.. woman are sometimes off for years to raise a family.. i had an employer i was close with tell me he hired a woman JUST because she was in an abusive relation, trying to get out and away, needing a job had not worked for 15 years.
I think most employers do hire on your experience in some way and your attitude and actions in the interview regardless of what your past reflects, on the negative side..they could tend to beleive in the extreme that if they hire someone with a depression could end in a postal scene.U redu, ovako je moja ćerka dobila posao...
Dobila je poziv za posao na koji se prijavila i jako je želela taj posao.
Zvao je i pitao je.. Možeš li biti ovde za 20 minuta i možemo da sprovedemo
intervju, vaša prijava izgleda veoma obećavajuće..
Dobro, trčala je sva uzbuđena, MAMA, dobio sam INTERVJU.. obuci se mama
pušta, mora i ona da se oblači u žurbi.. Našla je pantalone, nošene preksinoć, još čiste, obukla ih je, na lep top, u autu se malo našminkala, izgledala je stvarno lepo..
Usput je rekla mama.. ima nekakva kvržica ili nešto u nozi
od mojih pantalona nije mogla da shvati šta je to, misleći da su to samo pantalone
nekako uvrnuta, ionako je bila toliko uzbuđena da nije brinula o tome...
Stigli smo i parkirao sam se, a ona je ušla unutra, sedela za trenutak i za nekoliko minuta
gospodin je izašao, ona je ustala.. prišao čoveku da se rukuje
i kao što je to učinila.. njene tange su izletele donji deo njene nogavice..na podu desno
pred njim.. zamisli njegovo lice.. razmišlja ..hm.. da li ja tako delujem na ženu..
hm.. njeno lice u tolikoj neprijatnosti.. pokušava da objasni.. kako je dođavola dospelo tamo.. intervju, ni jedno ni drugo nije moglo da zadrži pravo lice, bez reči, a ona tako bojažljiva
u takvoj neprijatnosti, ovo se jednostavno ne dešava svaki dan
oboje pokušavaju da se zadrže od smeha.. ona je neprijatno pitala.. možemo li ovo da uradimo drugi put.. rekao joj je ne.. nema potrebe da si angažovana... jednostavno si mi ulepšala dan..
Ona je hodala do auta sa tangama u ruci.. smeškajući se, objasnila je šta se dogodilo
nisam mogao ni da vozim!
ovo je originalna nit posta btv, veoma je smešno mnogo stvari rečeno u ovoj temi...
https://lcb.org/onlinecasinobonusforum/general-discussion/most-embarressing-moment/
Ishin, verujem da će te poslovi zasnivati na tvojoj istoriji, imaš dobru istoriju, verujem da su tvoje šanse bolje. Ovo je moje lično mišljenje, sada će vas poslovi čak zasnivati na vašem TRV-u, vašem kreditnom rejtingu i vašoj prošlosti da ste rekli bilo šta kriminalno. Ali medicina .. može biti druga priča.. žene su ponekad odsutne godinama da bi podigle porodicu.. imao sam poslodavca sa kojim sam bio blizak i rekao mi je da je zaposlio ženu SAMO zato što je bila u nasilnoj vezi, pokušavajući da se izvuče i odsutan, potreban posao nije radio 15 godina.
Mislim da većina poslodavaca na neki način angažuje vaše iskustvo i vaš stav i postupke na intervjuu, bez obzira na to šta vaša prošlost odražava, sa negativne strane..mogli bi biti skloni da veruju u krajnjoj meri da ako zaposle nekoga sa depresijom mogu završiti poštanskom scenom. -
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A friend of mine is an attorney in employment law. He tells me that he and his colleagues, in the past couple years, have seen a dramatic influx of cases dealing with employees being laid off shortly after their bosses learn of the employee's medical conditions (i.e. depression, cancer). These cases are primarily in the private sector. Some employers don't want to hear about their employees' ailments because that typically means having to accommodate for medical leave, time off, disruption from work, decreased dependability and productivity, etc...Employers want employees that are healthy and happy. I can understand that. No employer wants employees that have a gang of problems at home/ in their private life...because everyone knows its impossible to keep your private and work life completely separate.
I asked my initial question in this thread because I see the possibility of employers passing up a qualified applicant with known medical conditions because they dont want to have to deal with future problems that may arise from these medical conditions. I could see this easily happening if there are plenty of applicants for the position.
Yes, employers should hire based on the applicants' qualifications. But we all know in reality, this is not the case.
Thanks guys, for your input.
Imagine...if all else fails, submit your resume along with your leather thong! lmaoMoj prijatelj je advokat iz radnog prava. Kaže mi da su on i njegove kolege, u poslednjih nekoliko godina, videli dramatičan priliv slučajeva koji se odnose na otpuštanja zaposlenih ubrzo nakon što njihovi šefovi saznaju za zdravstveno stanje zaposlenog (tj. depresija, rak). Ovi slučajevi su prvenstveno u privatnom sektoru. Neki poslodavci ne žele da čuju za tegobe svojih zaposlenih jer to obično znači da moraju da se prilagode zbog medicinskog odsustva, slobodnog vremena, ometanja na poslu, smanjene pouzdanosti i produktivnosti, itd... Poslodavci žele zaposlene koji su zdravi i srećni. Mogu to da razumem. Nijedan poslodavac ne želi zaposlene koji imaju gomilu problema kod kuće/u privatnom životu...jer svi znaju da je nemoguće držati svoj privatni i poslovni život potpuno odvojeno.
Postavio sam svoje početno pitanje u ovoj temi jer vidim mogućnost da poslodavci propuste kvalifikovanog kandidata sa poznatim zdravstvenim stanjima jer ne žele da se suočavaju sa budućim problemima koji mogu proizaći iz ovih zdravstvenih stanja. Mogao sam da vidim da se ovo lako dešava ako ima mnogo kandidata za poziciju.
Da, poslodavci treba da zapošljavaju na osnovu kvalifikacija kandidata. Ali svi znamo da u stvarnosti to nije slučaj.
Hvala momci, na vašem doprinosu.
Zamislite... ako ništa drugo ne uspe, pošaljite svoju biografiju zajedno sa svojim kožnim tangama! lmao -
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This will make me very unpopular, but as a small business owner I would not hire somone who was in a bad state of depression or had major anxiety issues. If they can demostate successful TREATMENT for these, then I would sure view that as positive and would strongly consider hiring them. Now, I don't consider a family doctor tossing someone an Rx of Zanex "treatment."
My point of empathy: I was depressed years ago, so I understand what it means to be in that situation. Not fun!
Anyway, the reason is: It can drag down productivity in the business, hence, putting other's well-being in jeopardy.
Bottom lie....if you can't make my business money and keep your fellow worker employed, then I DON'T hire you.Ovo će me učiniti veoma nepopularnim, ali kao vlasnik malog preduzeća ne bih zaposlio nekoga ko je bio u lošem stanju depresije ili je imao velike probleme sa anksioznošću. Ako mogu da pokažu uspešan LEČENJE za ove, onda bih to sigurno smatrao pozitivnim i snažno bih razmotrio njihovo angažovanje. Sada, ne smatram da porodični lekar nekome baci Rk zanek "lečenje".
Moja tačka empatije: Bio sam depresivan pre mnogo godina, tako da razumem šta znači biti u toj situaciji. Nije zabavno!
U svakom slučaju, razlog je: može da smanji produktivnost u poslu, dovodeći na taj način dobrobit drugih u opasnost.
Najbitnija laž....ako ne možeš da zaradiš moj posao i zadržiš svoje kolege zaposlene, onda te NE zapošljavam. -
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Anyway, the reason is: It can drag down productivity in the business, hence, putting other's well-being in jeopardy.
Bottom lie....if you can't make my business money and keep your fellow worker employed, then I DON'T hire you.
Yup, thats basically what my concerns were.
So would you suggest the applicant lie if the topic comes up during the interview? Come up with some story that helps to take focus off of the applicant's medical history? What a way to start a potential job,.. with a lie!
I wonder just how many people lie in their resumes and job interview just to get that slight edge.
U svakom slučaju, razlog je: može da smanji produktivnost u poslu, dovodeći na taj način dobrobit drugih u opasnost.
Najbitnija laž....ako ne možeš da zaradiš moj posao i zadržiš svoje kolege zaposlene, onda te NE zapošljavam.
Da, to je u suštini ono što me je brinulo.
Dakle, da li biste predložili da aplikant laže ako se tema pojavi tokom intervjua? Smislite neku priču koja pomaže da se skrene fokus sa medicinske istorije podnosioca predstavke? Kakav način da se započne potencijalni posao,.. lažom!
Pitam se koliko ljudi laže u svojim biografijama i intervjuima za posao samo da bi dobili tu malu prednost. -
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The best way to do it is not disclose the information voluntarily, wait to be asked about it, if asked touch it lightly and don't drag on, make the employer aware with some sort of good point that it won't interfer with your duties. BUT this also depends on how bad the medical reasons are, if they are standingly obvious.
If you are in an interview and are uncomfortable with your history to begin with then you know the job is not for you. But also you can stand a chance of overcoming, just think about that.
Another suggestion is try for jobs that are KNOWN to hire people with handicaps and illnesses. (im saying this because i don't how sick the person is)Najbolji način da to uradite je da ne otkrivate informacije dobrovoljno, čekajte da vas pitaju o tome, ako se od vas traži da ih lagano dodirnete i ne odugovlačite, obavestite poslodavca nekom vrstom dobre tačke da to neće smetati vašem dužnosti. ALI ovo takođe zavisi od toga koliko su medicinski razlozi loši, ako su očigledno očigledni.
Ako ste na intervjuu i na početku vam je neprijatno zbog svoje istorije, onda znate da posao nije za vas. Ali takođe možete imati šansu da prevaziđete, samo razmislite o tome.
Još jedan predlog je da pokušate sa poslovima za koje je POZNATO da zapošljavaju osobe sa hendikepom i bolestima. (Ovo govorim jer ne znam koliko je osoba bolesna) -
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Obtaining a job with a lie is the worst start you [general] can have in a new job. It will be a constant worry that it might "come out".
Always best to be honest if asked the question. If an employer bases their decision on previous problems (medical), is it really the kind of place one wants to work? As Froggy rightly says, "As long as you possess the qualifications to do what I need, I couldn't care less about your personal life". Fair comment indeed.
blueDobivanje posla uz laž je najgori početak koji [general] možete imati na novom poslu. Biće to stalna briga da bi to moglo da "iskoči".
Uvek je najbolje biti iskren ako se postavi pitanje. Ako poslodavac svoju odluku zasniva na prethodnim problemima (medicinskim), da li je to zaista mesto gde neko želi da radi? Kao što Froggi s pravom kaže: „Sve dok posedujete kvalifikacije da radite ono što mi treba, ne bih mogao manje da brinem o vašem ličnom životu“. Zaista pošten komentar.
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I'm actually with Drpsyche on this one, I wouldn't hire anyone who openly disclosed that they didn't work for a year because of major depression. That isn't right of course, but it's the way it is, and if asked why I would just say I received a lot of applicants and it was a hard decision but I went with the most qualified. I will not disclose my cancer history of the last year to my potential employers. I have been submitting applications the last week- online but still applying- and there is no way I'm going to voluntarily provide that info and they can't ask me 'were you unemployed because of cancer'
I like to stick with the basics of how I am qualified and not go to my personal life at all during an interview. It hasn't failed me yet. I have 2 little kids, not gonna tell them. I have been on both sides of the hiring and applying, and I think you are so qualified as is, you don't need to disclose it.Ja sam zapravo sa Drpsicheom na ovome, ne bih zaposlio nikoga ko je otvoreno otkrio da nije radio godinu dana zbog velike depresije. To, naravno, nije u redu, ali tako je, i na pitanje zašto bih samo rekao da sam primio mnogo kandidata i da je to bila teška odluka, ali sam otišao sa najkvalifikovanijima. Neću otkriti svoju prošlogodišnju istoriju raka svojim potencijalnim poslodavcima. Podnosio sam prijave prošle nedelje – onlajn, ali se još uvek prijavljujem – i nema šanse da dobrovoljno dam te podatke i ne mogu da me pitaju „da li ste bili nezaposleni zbog raka“
Volim da se držim osnova o tome koliko sam kvalifikovan i da uopšte ne ulazim u svoj lični život tokom intervjua. Još me nije izneverio. Imam 2 male dece, neću im reći. Bio sam na obe strane zapošljavanja i prijavljivanja, i mislim da ste toliko kvalifikovani, da ne morate to da otkrivate. -
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I'm actually with Drpsyche on this one, I wouldn't hire anyone who openly disclosed that they didn't work for a year because of major depression. That isn't right of course, but it's the way it is, and if asked why I would just say I received a lot of applicants and it was a hard decision but I went with the most qualified. I will not disclose my cancer history of the last year to my potential employers. I have been submitting applications the last week- online but still applying- and there is no way I'm going to voluntarily provide that info and they can't ask me 'were you unemployed because of cancer'
I like to stick with the basics of how I am qualified and not go to my personal life at all during an interview. It hasn't failed me yet. I have 2 little kids, not gonna tell them. I have been on both sides of the hiring and applying, and I think you are so qualified as is, you don't need to disclose it.
So how would you go about the situation? You know you've been unemployed for over a year because of your cancer and depression. At the same time you know you are qualified for the position. And the interviewer asks, "So what have you been doing for the past year?' Why haven't you been working?" Do you come up with a story that skirts around the fact that you've not been working primarily because of your cancer and depression?..basically, lie?
Ja sam zapravo sa Drpsicheom na ovome, ne bih zaposlio nikoga ko je otvoreno otkrio da nije radio godinu dana zbog velike depresije. To, naravno, nije u redu, ali tako je, i na pitanje zašto bih samo rekao da sam primio mnogo kandidata i da je to bila teška odluka, ali sam otišao sa najkvalifikovanijima. Neću otkriti svoju prošlogodišnju istoriju raka svojim potencijalnim poslodavcima. Podnosio sam prijave prošle nedelje – onlajn, ali se još uvek prijavljujem – i nema šanse da dobrovoljno dam te podatke i ne mogu da me pitaju „da li ste bili nezaposleni zbog raka“
Volim da se držim osnova o tome koliko sam kvalifikovan i da uopšte ne ulazim u svoj lični život tokom intervjua. Još me nije izneverio. Imam 2 male dece, neću im reći. Bio sam na obe strane zapošljavanja i prijavljivanja, i mislim da ste toliko kvalifikovani, da ne morate to da otkrivate.
Pa kako biste se ponašali prema situaciji? Znate da ste nezaposleni više od godinu dana zbog raka i depresije. U isto vreme znate da ste kvalifikovani za tu poziciju. A anketar pita: "Pa šta ste radili proteklih godinu dana?" Zašto nisi radio?" Smišljate li priču koja zaobilazi činjenicu da niste radili prvenstveno zbog raka i depresije?..u suštini, laž? -
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Obtaining a job with a lie is the worst start you [general] can have in a new job. It will be a constant worry that it might "come out".
My thoughts exactly!
Dobivanje posla uz laž je najgori početak koji [general] možete imati na novom poslu. Biće to stalna briga da bi to moglo da "iskoči".
Baš moje misli! -
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I totally agree with you Blue.. do not lie, my statement was not meaning to lie. Most applications ask medical questions in lew of being able to handle the job, answer those honestly, and in the interview don' bring them up voluntarily, the employer has read them, wait to be asked more information and they will IF it is bothering them. The employer is interviewing you because he beleives you have the potencial with your experiences, dragging on a medical problem might detur him into thinking you are more into your sicknesses then you would be the job.It is YOU who knows if you can handle the job with your medical history, if you are uncomfortable, if the employer seems concerned with it, then it's not the job for you.
Gain the confidence, gain the job..Potpuno se slažem sa tobom Blue.. ne laži, moja izjava nije imala za cilj da lažem. Većina prijava postavlja medicinska pitanja samo o tome da li možete da se nosite sa poslom, na njih odgovorite iskreno, a na intervjuu ih ne pominju dobrovoljno, poslodavac ih je pročitao, sačekajte da im se traži više informacija i oni će AKO im smeta . Poslodavac vas intervjuiše jer veruje da imate potencijal sa svojim iskustvima, pa bi ga odvlačenje medicinskog problema moglo odvesti da misli da ste više u svojim bolestima nego da biste bili posao. VI ste ti koji znate da li možete da se nosite sa poslom sa vašom medicinskom istorijom, ako vam je neprijatno, ako izgleda da je poslodavac zabrinut zbog toga, onda to nije posao za vas.
Steknite samopouzdanje, steknite posao.. -
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I totally agree with you Blue.. do not lie, my statement was not meaning to lie. Most applications ask medical questions in lew of being able to handle the job, answer those honestly, and in the interview don' bring them up voluntarily, the employer has read them, wait to be asked more information and they will IF it is bothering them. The employer is interviewing you because he beleives you have the potencial with your experiences, dragging on a medical problem might detur him into thinking you are more into your sicknesses then you would be the job.It is YOU who knows if you can handle the job with your medical history, if you are uncomfortable, if the employer seems concerned with it, then it's not the job for you.
Gain the confidence, gain the job..
Succinctly put Imagin.
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Potpuno se slažem sa tobom Blue.. ne laži, moja izjava nije imala za cilj da lažem. Većina prijava postavlja medicinska pitanja samo o tome da li možete da se nosite sa poslom, na njih odgovorite iskreno, a na intervjuu ih ne pominju dobrovoljno, poslodavac ih je pročitao, sačekajte da im se traži više informacija i oni će AKO im smeta . Poslodavac vas intervjuiše jer veruje da imate potencijal sa svojim iskustvima, pa bi ga odvlačenje medicinskog problema moglo odvesti da misli da ste više u svojim bolestima nego da biste bili posao. VI ste ti koji znate da li možete da se nosite sa poslom sa vašom medicinskom istorijom, ako vam je neprijatno, ako izgleda da je poslodavac zabrinut zbog toga, onda to nije posao za vas.
Steknite samopouzdanje, steknite posao..
Sažeto rečeno Imagin.
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- bradwill
- u Aug 28, 10, 05:09:05 PM
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Man, interviews must be a real nightmare to someone with an anxiety order to begin with. Having to account for a lapse in employment would only make it worse.
I'm with everyone else in that I do not think it would be a good idea to voluntarily offer this kind of information. But, if asked directly about the lapse, I'm not sure what the correct approach would be. Ethically speaking, I suppose the correct approach would probably be if not full disclosure then at least adequate or honest disclosure. Enough honest info to inform and alert the interviewer to the issue at hand. But you are probably aware that such an approach is very likely a direct conflict of interest with getting the job. The person may as well not interview at all if they are prepared to do this under some circumstances. I suppose they would need to have a good feel for the company and especially the interviewer to know if the person seems to have enough empathy and compassion to make this warranted. Otherwise, I would think skirting the issue somehow would be more advisable, depending on how well they are able to account for their time during this lapse if really pressed. It could come back to bite them later on, but as some of the more honest posters have implied, there may not be much choice if they really want or need the job.Čoveče, intervjui moraju biti prava noćna mora za nekoga ko ima anksioznost za početak. Morati uzeti u obzir propust u zaposlenju samo bi to pogoršalo.
Slažem se sa svima ostalima u tome što mislim da ne bi bila dobra ideja dobrovoljno ponuditi ovu vrstu informacija. Ali, ako me direktno pitaju o propustu, nisam siguran koji bi bio ispravan pristup. Etički gledano, pretpostavljam da bi ispravan pristup verovatno bio ako ne potpuno obelodanjivanje onda barem adekvatno ili iskreno obelodanjivanje. Dovoljno iskrenih informacija da informišete i upozorite anketara na problem koji je u pitanju. Ali verovatno ste svesni da je takav pristup vrlo verovatno direktan sukob interesa sa dobijanjem posla. Osoba takođe može uopšte da ne intervjuiše ako je spremna da to uradi pod nekim okolnostima. Pretpostavljam da bi trebalo da imaju dobar osećaj za kompaniju, a posebno za anketara da bi znali da li osoba izgleda da ima dovoljno empatije i saosećanja da bi ovo bilo opravdano. U suprotnom, mislim da bi bilo preporučljivije da se zaobiđe ovo pitanje, u zavisnosti od toga koliko su oni u stanju da računaju svoje vreme tokom ovog perioda ako su zaista pritisnuti. Kasnije bi se moglo vratiti da ih ugrize, ali kao što su neki od poštenijih postera nagovestili, možda neće biti mnogo izbora da li zaista žele ili im je potreban posao. -
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- ishin
- u Aug 28, 10, 05:25:27 PM
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Man, interviews must be a real nightmare to someone with an anxiety order to begin with. Having to account for a lapse in employment would only make it worse.
I'm with everyone else in that I do not think it would be a good idea to voluntarily offer this kind of information. But, if asked directly about the lapse, I'm not sure what the correct approach would be. Ethically speaking, I suppose the correct approach would probably be if not full disclosure then at least adequate or honest disclosure. Enough honest info to inform and alert the interviewer to the issue at hand. But you are probably aware that such an approach is very likely a direct conflict of interest with getting the job. The person may as well not interview at all if they are prepared to do this under some circumstances. I suppose they would need to have a good feel for the company and especially the interviewer to know if the person seems to have enough empathy and compassion to make this warranted. Otherwise, I would think skirting the issue somehow would be more advisable, depending on how well they are able to account for their time during this lapse if really pressed. It could come back to bite them later on, but as some of the more honest posters have implied, there may not be much choice if they really want or need the job.
Exactly, you know where I'm coming from. This is a tough situation.
Čoveče, intervjui moraju biti prava noćna mora za nekoga ko ima anksioznost za početak. Morati uzeti u obzir propust u zaposlenju samo bi to pogoršalo.
Slažem se sa svima ostalima u tome što mislim da ne bi bilo dobro dobrovoljno ponuditi ovu vrstu informacija. Ali, ako me direktno pitaju o propustu, nisam siguran koji bi bio ispravan pristup. Etički gledano, pretpostavljam da bi ispravan pristup verovatno bio ako ne potpuno obelodanjivanje onda barem adekvatno ili iskreno obelodanjivanje. Dovoljno iskrenih informacija da informišete i upozorite anketara na problem koji je u pitanju. Ali verovatno ste svesni da je takav pristup vrlo verovatno direktan sukob interesa sa dobijanjem posla. Osoba takođe može uopšte da ne intervjuiše ako je spremna da to uradi pod nekim okolnostima. Pretpostavljam da bi trebalo da imaju dobar osećaj za kompaniju, a posebno za anketara da bi znali da li osoba izgleda da ima dovoljno empatije i saosećanja da bi ovo bilo opravdano. U suprotnom, mislim da bi bilo preporučljivije da se zaobiđe ovo pitanje, u zavisnosti od toga koliko su oni u stanju da računaju svoje vreme tokom ovog perioda ako su zaista pritisnuti. Kasnije bi se moglo vratiti da ih ugrize, ali kao što su neki od poštenijih postera nagovestili, možda neće biti mnogo izbora da li zaista žele ili im je potreban posao.
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- drpsyce38
- u Aug 28, 10, 09:11:32 PM
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ishin - The point I was trying to make is getting SUCCESSFUL treatment for depression, or whatever the disorder is. And, like I said, getting your family doctor tossing you a Rx of Zanex is not enough.
Don't lie. Never lie in obtaining a job. Not only can you get fired really fast, but you COULD face criminal or civil issues.
This is going to sound cruel, and as a former mental health professional I feel guilt in writing this, but the last person you want working for you is an untreated person with mental or emotional issues. Anxiety or depression? Well, good luck with them and customers and other coworkers. Bi polar? Well, prepare to be lied to repeatedly.
I would work with an employee with mental issues, provided they got ongoing treatment and I was able to monitor them with boundaries of understanding.ishin - Ono što sam pokušavao da kažem je da dobijem USPEŠAN tretman za depresiju, ili šta god da je poremećaj. I, kao što sam rekao, nije dovoljno naterati porodičnog lekara da vam doda Rk zaneksa.
ne laži. Nikada nemojte lagati u dobijanju posla. Ne samo da možete dobiti otkaz veoma brzo, već biste se mogli suočiti sa krivičnim ili građanskim problemima.
Ovo će zvučati okrutno, i kao bivši stručnjak za mentalno zdravlje osećam krivicu što ovo pišem, ali poslednja osoba za koju želite da radi za vas je nelečena osoba sa mentalnim ili emocionalnim problemima. Anksioznost ili depresija? Pa, srećno sa njima i mušterijama i ostalim saradnicima. Bipolarni? Pa, pripremite se da vas stalno lažu.
Radila bih sa zaposlenim sa mentalnim problemima, pod uslovom da imaju kontinuirano lečenje i da mogu da ih pratim sa granicama razumevanja. -
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- toodleedoo
- u Aug 28, 10, 11:19:36 PM
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I have been going to school taking medical classes for the last year.
true story, I just finished my program the week before last. I was laid off from my job with 1100 other people a month and half before I found out I had cancer and I was job hunting at the time. So if they ask 'what have you been doing the last year' i would say job hunting and going to school, and enjoying the time off with my family for the first time EVER. I see no reason to disclose my personal health history, it is NONE of their business. and i wasn't depressed, that was the other person. well maybe I was, getting an extremely deadly cancer didn't make me happy by any meansMy point is, you by no means have to disclose your personal information that has nothing to do with the position. If you are qualified, you are qualified. When they say 'so tell me about yourself' we were taught in business school not to say 'well I like to crochet and gamble when I can, and look at porn too', but to say 'I have always wanted to work in xxx field, and decided to go to school for it, and blah blah blah'. Keep it professional, you getting the job or not should be about your qualifications and experience, not about if anyone was unlucky enough to deal with cancer, depression, asthma, broken leg, death of a spouse, etc. etc. etc.
When I am hired on my qualifications, and I get to know them a little better, I have no problem talking about my personal life. But in business, and especially in the beginning, the two are separate.Poslednju godinu idem u školu na časove medicine.
istinita priča, upravo sam završio program pretprošle nedelje. Otpušten sam sa posla sa 1100 drugih ljudi mesec i po pre nego što sam saznao da imam rak i u to vreme sam tražio posao. Dakle, ako me pitaju 'šta si radio prošle godine', rekao bih traženje posla i odlazak u školu, i uživanje u slobodnom vremenu sa svojom porodicom po prvi put IKAD. Ne vidim razlog da otkrivam svoju ličnu zdravstvenu istoriju, to se njih NE tiče. i nisam bio depresivan, to je bila druga osoba. pa možda jesam, dobijanje izuzetno smrtonosnog raka me ni na koji način nije činilo srećnimMoja poenta je da ni u kom slučaju ne morate da otkrivate svoje lične podatke koji nemaju nikakve veze sa pozicijom. Ako ste kvalifikovani, kvalifikovani ste. Kada kažu 'pa pričaj mi o sebi', učili su nas u poslovnoj školi da ne kažemo 'pa ja volim da heklam i kockam kad mogu, i da gledam i pornografiju', već da kažemo 'Oduvek sam želeo da radim u kkk-u polje, i odlučio da ide u školu za to, i bla bla bla'. Neka bude profesionalno, da li dobijate posao ili ne treba da se radi o vašim kvalifikacijama i iskustvu, a ne o tome da li neko nije imao sreće da se nosi sa rakom, depresijom, astmom, slomljenom nogom, smrću supružnika, itd itd. itd.
Kada me zaposle po svojim kvalifikacijama, i malo ih bolje upoznam, nemam problema da pričam o svom ličnom životu. Ali u poslu, a posebno na početku, to dvoje je odvojeno. -
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- u Aug 28, 10, 11:27:16 PM
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I should also add that I have a degree in business and have always worked in offices, I have never done physical labor. So for my case, there is absolutely no reason to disclose. The only questions I have ever seen on an application are 'are you able to consistently pick up 10-15 pounds' or something of the like in my line of work. For someone else, this may be different. But you know what, just because someone is dealing with something, doesn't mean they are useless. There was a guy at my old job who was the toughest mechanic (I was in payroll but saw him often) and I had no idea he was dealing with stomach cancer the entire time he worked there... well actually i got laid off and he didn't, so the time i knew him. A good knowledgeable employee regardless of what they are dealing with is better than some know-it-all lazy ass who is just there clocking time doing as little as possible. (no offense to anyone, i've certainly been both i just mean for this topic of discussion)
Još da dodam da sam diplomirani biznismen i da sam uvek radio u kancelarijama, nikada nisam radio fizičke poslove. Dakle, za moj slučaj, nema apsolutno nikakvog razloga za otkrivanje. Jedina pitanja koja sam ikada video u aplikaciji su 'da li ste u stanju da stalno dobijate 10-15 funti' ili nešto slično u mom poslu. Za nekog drugog ovo može biti drugačije. Ali znate šta, samo zato što se neko nečim bavi, ne znači da je beskorisan. Bio je momak na mom starom poslu koji je bio najteži mehaničar (bio sam na platnom spisku, ali sam ga često viđao) i nisam imao pojma da se bavi rakom želuca sve vreme dok je tamo radio... pa zapravo sam dobio otkaz i nije, tako da sam ga poznavao. Dobar obrazovan radnik, bez obzira na to čime se bavi, bolji je od nekog sveznalog lenjog magarca koji samo radi što je moguće manje vremena. (bez uvrede nikome, sigurno sam bio i jedno i drugo, samo mislim na ovu temu razgovora)
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- u Aug 28, 10, 11:51:30 PM
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we were taught in business school not to say 'well I like to crochet and gamble when I can, and look at porn too', but to say 'I have always wanted to work in xxx field, and decided to go to school for it,
lmaoyoure funny!
u poslovnoj školi su nas učili da ne kažemo 'pa ja volim da heklam i kockam kad mogu, i da gledam i pornografiju', već da kažemo 'Oduvek sam želeo da radim u kkk polju i odlučio sam da idem u školu zbog toga ,
lmaoti si smešan!
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- u Aug 29, 10, 12:17:10 AM
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..just wanted to say thanks for everyone's opinions here. much appreciated!
..samo sam hteo da se zahvalim za svačija mišljenja ovde. mnogo vam hvala!
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- Lipstick
- u Aug 29, 10, 12:19:26 AM
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I would absolutely positively lie about what i have been doing for the last year! And i would have no qualms in lying about it either.
Forget about what is morally or ethically correct. The employer is not going to be morally or ethically correct when they find a reason not to hire you. That reason certainly won't be the truth that your depressed or have emotional issue because the gov won't allow them to not hire you for this.
There are a lot of things in this world that we are "suppose" to do that we know darn well in our hearts it in reality gets us NO where. It would be nice if you could tell the truth unfortunately society isn't ready for it yet.
It is called survival of the fittest! It's tough enough to find a job today without sharing personal details about yourself that is none of their damn business.
The only exception to this i see is if you were going to be employed where mental health is a major issue and it states clearly that it's a requirement. Also make sure your doctor gives you clearance to work.
Tell them you traveled the world over!
LipsApsolutno bih pozitivno lagao o tome šta sam radio poslednjih godinu dana! A ni ja ne bih imao problema da lažem o tome.
Zaboravite na ono što je moralno ili etički ispravno. Poslodavac neće biti moralno ili etički ispravan kada nađe razlog da vas ne zaposli. Taj razlog sigurno neće biti istina da ste depresivni ili imate emocionalni problem jer im vlada neće dozvoliti da vas ne angažuju za ovo.
Postoji mnogo stvari na ovom svetu koje „pretpostavljamo“ da uradimo, a koje znamo dobro u našim srcima, to nas u stvarnosti NE vodi. Bilo bi lepo kada biste mogli da kažete istinu, nažalost društvo još nije spremno za to.
To se zove opstanak najjačih! Dovoljno je teško naći posao danas bez dijeljenja ličnih podataka o sebi, što se njih prokleto ne tiče.
Jedini izuzetak od ovoga koji vidim je da ćete biti zaposleni tamo gde je mentalno zdravlje glavni problem i jasno kaže da je to uslov. Takođe se uverite da vam lekar daje dozvolu za rad.
Reci im da si proputovao svet!
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- u Aug 29, 10, 12:37:08 AM
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I would absolutely positively lie about what i have been doing for the last year! And i would have no qualms in lying about it either.
There are a lot of things in this world that we are "suppose" to do that we know darn well in our hearts it in reality gets us NO where. It would be nice if you could tell the truth unfortunately society isn't ready for it yet.
Lips
Thank you so much lips! For some reason, I really needed to hear this. And you said it with such conviction! Thanks.
Apsolutno bih pozitivno lagao o tome šta sam radio poslednjih godinu dana! A ni ja ne bih imao problema da lažem o tome.
Postoji mnogo stvari na ovom svetu koje „pretpostavljamo“ da radimo za koje znamo da u našim srcima dobro znamo da nas to u stvarnosti NE vodi. Bilo bi lepo kada biste mogli da kažete istinu, nažalost društvo još nije spremno za to.
Usne
Hvala vam puno usana! Iz nekog razloga, zaista sam morao ovo da čujem. I rekao si to sa takvim uverenjem! Hvala. -
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- u Aug 29, 10, 11:46:26 AM
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I haven't seen a job application in such a long time and really can't remember if it's asked "are you physcially able" or "mentally able" or if it says "do you have anything medically that would stand in the way of doing your job correctly.. i don't see anything wrong with NOT disclosing your personal information. As far as the lapse.. nothing wrong with saying i took time of to be with family, ALOT of people do this, most because they are depressed, tired, need a break, have problems. It is better to take the time off rather then to keep working bringing the overwhelming problems to work affecting your job performance and reputation, if medical help is needed to help then the right things were done, this was a very unselfish thing to do even though you are helping yourself.
You're not lying by answering these questions, you are just not disclosing personal information they need not know about, truely it is up to you and your well being whether there is readiness to handle it.Nisam video prijavu za posao tako dugo i ne mogu da se setim da li se pita „da li ste fizički sposobni“ ili „mentalno sposobni“ ili da li piše „da li imate bilo šta medicinski što bi stajalo na putu radiš svoj posao kako treba.. ne vidim ništa loše u tome da NE otkrijem tvoje lične podatke. Što se tiče propusta.. nema ništa loše u tome što sam rekao da sam uzela vremena da budem sa porodicom, MNOGO ljudi to radi, uglavnom zato što su depresivni, umorni, treba vam pauza, imate problema. Bolje je da uzmete slobodno vreme nego da nastavite da radite donoseći ogromne probleme na posao koji utiču na vaš radni učinak i reputaciju, ako je potrebna medicinska pomoć da pomogne onda su učinjene prave stvari , ovo je bila veoma nesebična stvar iako pomažete sebi.
Odgovarajući na ova pitanja ne lažete, samo ne otkrivate lične podatke za koje oni ne moraju da znaju, zaista je na vama i vašem blagostanju da li postoji spremnost da se s tim pozabavite. -
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- drpsyce38
- u Aug 29, 10, 02:12:57 PM
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Lips. I am sure lots of people lie on applications. But, the reality is: If someone is depressed on a significant level and is NOT being treated, there is a significant risk they will be a drag on the companies productivity.
Trust me, I have had this happen. Having a depressed or anxious employee is no fun and it hurts business.Usne. Siguran sam da mnogi ljudi lažu na aplikacijama. Ali, realnost je sledeća: Ako je neko depresivan na značajnom nivou i NE leči se, postoji značajan rizik da će ugroziti produktivnost kompanije.
Verujte mi, ovo mi se dogodilo. Imati depresivnog ili anksioznog zaposlenog nije zabavno i šteti poslu. -
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- u Aug 29, 10, 02:23:26 PM
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Lips. I am sure lots of people lie on applications. But, the reality is: If someone is depressed on a significant level and is NOT being treated, there is a significant risk they will be a drag on the companies productivity.
Trust me, I have had this happen. Having a depressed or anxious employee is no fun and it hurts business.
Yes, depression hurts everyone, the individual and those around. However, the presumption here is that the applicant has sought treatment and is ready to re-enter the work force. With that said, the question here was whether or not the applicant should reveal the fact that they've been off of work for over a year due to their medical condition. And after hearing different opinions, I've concluded its in the best interest of the applicant not disclose such personal info, nor is it any of their biznass. But I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time! lol Seems the older I get the less i know...I was much older then, I'm younger then that now. : )
Usne. Siguran sam da mnogi ljudi lažu na aplikacijama. Ali, realnost je sledeća: Ako je neko depresivan na značajnom nivou i NE leči se, postoji značajan rizik da će ugroziti produktivnost kompanije.
Verujte mi, ovo mi se dogodilo. Imati depresivnog ili anksioznog zaposlenog nije zabavno i šteti poslu.
Da, depresija boli sve, pojedinca i one oko sebe. Međutim, ovde se pretpostavlja da je podnosilac predstavke tražio lečenje i da je spreman da ponovo uđe u radnu snagu. Uz to, ovde se postavljalo pitanje da li podnosilac predstavke treba da otkrije činjenicu da je bio bez posla više od godinu dana zbog svog zdravstvenog stanja. I nakon što sam čuo različita mišljenja, zaključio sam da je u najboljem interesu podnosioca predstavke da ne otkriva takve lične podatke, niti da je to njihova poslovna delatnost. Ali možda grešim...ne bi bilo prvi put! lol Čini se što sam stariji to manje znam...Bio sam mnogo stariji tada, mlađi sam tada. :) -
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- u Aug 29, 10, 03:42:38 PM
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lol Seems the older I get the less i know...I was much older then, I'm younger then that now. : )
Is it as we get older our brain shrinks and our bodies get bigger or the other way around?
I know something shrinks as we age.
lol Čini se što sam stariji to manje znam...Bio sam mnogo stariji tada, mlađi sam tada. :)
Da li kako starimo naš mozak se smanjuje, a naša tela postaju veća ili obrnuto?
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- u Aug 29, 10, 04:01:18 PM
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I know something shrinks as we age.
One thing is for sure...After I wake up and pee, my morningdy shrinks.
Znam da se nešto smanjuje kako starimo.
Jedno je sigurno... Nakon što se probudim i piškim, moje jutrodi se smanjuje.
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- u Aug 29, 10, 04:09:05 PM
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What's that joke about.. "he used to watch me shave, now he just stares at the floor"
Šta je to šala.. "nekada me je gledao kako se brijem, a sada samo gleda u pod"
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- u Aug 29, 10, 04:12:06 PM
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What's that joke about.. "he used to watch me shave, now he just stares at the floor"
Dunno. I've never heard that joke, sorry. : (
Šta je to šala.. "nekada me je gledao kako se brijem, a sada samo gleda u pod"
Ne znam. Nikad nisam čuo taj vic, izvini. : ( -
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- u Aug 29, 10, 04:17:16 PM
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I can't remember either, but it was about an older gentlemen talking about aging and what he was noticing lol
Ne mogu ni ja da se setim, ali radilo se o starijoj gospodi koja je pričala o starenju i šta je primetio lol
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