Ubistvo JFK-a: Jedan čovek ili zavera?

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hi Gang:
      November 22,1963. That's the day President Kennedy was shot and killed in Dallas Texas. Perhaps some of you are to young to even know much about that day. However I am a huge Kennedy buff and have watched every show I can get my eyes on about the Kennedy's and thier stories. Just the other day on the history channel I watched an all day marathon about the assasination. It got me thinking all over again.

    Now I have all along believed it was always Lee Harvey Oswald that did this by himself.  The Warren Commision thought so too. But I gotta tell you, with some of this new technology and computer animation, of the Zapruder film,  the conspiracy theory became all new and quite a real possibility to me.

    Will we ever know the thruth?
    What is your views on it?
    One man or conspiracy of many?

                                                              PMM

    Zdravo bando:
    22. novembra 1963. godine. To je dan kada je predsednik Kenedi ubijen i ubijen u Dalasu u Teksasu. Možda su neki od vas premladi da bi znali mnogo o tom danu. Međutim, ja sam veliki ljubitelj Kenedija i gledao sam svaku emisiju o Kenedijevim i njihovim pričama o Kenedijevim i njihovim pričama. Pre neki dan sam na istorijskom kanalu gledao celodnevni maraton o atentatu. Nateralo me je da ponovo razmislim.

    Sada sam sve vreme verovao da je Li Harvi Osvald to uvek radio sam. Tako je mislila i Vorenova komisija. Ali moram da vam kažem, sa nekim od ove nove tehnologije i kompjuterske animacije, Zapruder filma, teorija zavere je za mene postala sasvim nova i sasvim realna mogućnost.

    Hoćemo li ikada saznati istinu?
    Kakvi su vaši stavovi o tome?
    Jedan čovek ili zavera mnogih?

    PMM

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well...we love CONSIRACY!
    Based on my two visits to the museum at Daley Plaza (sp?)  I would say Oswald was acting alone.  There is no solid proof otherwise it seems.  But.....it makes for GREAT discussion and TV documentaries!

    Pa...mi volimo CONSIRACI!
    Na osnovu moje dve posete muzeju na Dejli Plazi (sp?) rekao bih da je Osvald glumio sam. U suprotnom, čini se, nema čvrstih dokaza. Ali.....to čini ODLIČNU diskusiju i TV dokumentarce!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Would suggest you to watch JFK, starring Kevin Costner... movie raises some very interesting questions...

    Predložio bih vam da pogledate JFK, sa Kevinom Kostnerom u glavnoj ulozi... film postavlja neka veoma interesantna pitanja...

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If it was one man - i.e. Lee Harvey Oswald, why was he "assassinated"?  To make sure he didn't talk?

    I think it was a conspiracy...which also brings to mind the Marilyn Monroe question.

    blue

    Ako je to bio jedan čovek – tj. Li Harvi Osvald, zašto je „ubijen“? Da budem siguran da nije progovorio?

    Mislim da je to bila zavera... koja takođe podseća na pitanje Merilin Monro.

    Plavi

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well i know some of you are probably not old enough to remember but i know where i was when i heard the news of our President being killed! I was a freshman in highschool and can remember it like it was yesterday it was a monent like the world trad center for me it was a day the earth stool still!!!!!!!!!!

    Pa znam da neki od vas verovatno nisu dovoljno stari da se sete, ali znam gde sam bio kada sam čuo vest da je naš predsednik ubijen! Bio sam brucoš u srednjoj školi i mogu da se setim kao da je juče bilo to je bio trenutak kao svetski trgovački centar za mene je to bio dan kada zemlja još uvek stoji!!!!!!!!!!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I will always believe it was a conspiracy. I have seen the movie JFK about 20 times Zuga I love it. I agree with you Blue, why was Oswald killed? I seriously doubt Ruby was so fond of our president that he killed Oswald out of spite. He killed him to silence him. And why did they seal documents if they are not trying to hide the real truth? We will never know the real truth, but I for one will always believe it was a conspiracy.

    Uvek ću verovati da je to bila zavera. Gledao sam film JFK oko 20 puta Zuga Obožavam ga. Slažem se sa tobom Blue, zašto je Osvald ubijen? Ozbiljno sumnjam da je Rubi bio toliko naklonjen našem predsedniku da je ubio Osvalda iz inata. Ubio ga je da ga ućutka. A zašto su zapečatili dokumente ako ne pokušavaju da sakriju pravu istinu? Nikada nećemo saznati pravu istinu, ali ja ću uvek verovati da je to bila zavera.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I have always been fascinated with the whole Camelot era. One of the most amazing things for that era was the actual taping when he got shot. At that precise moment in time.....someone had a home movie camera.

    It' really tough to say if it was a conspiracy......we will never really know and can only speculate. The whole grassy knoll theory....was there really someone there?

    Was Oswald shot out of rage for assassinating our president or was it fear he would talk? Not sure if we will ever know that answer in our lifetime. But i do believe someone does know the answers

    Lips
    Uvek sam bio fasciniran čitavom erom Kamelota. Jedna od najneverovatnijih stvari za to doba bilo je stvarno snimanje kada je upucan. U tom tačnom trenutku...neko je imao kućnu filmsku kameru.

    Zaista je teško reći da li je to bila zavera...... nikada nećemo saznati i možemo samo da nagađamo. Cela teorija o travnatim brežuljcima.... da li je zaista bilo nekoga tamo?

    Da li je Osvald upucan iz besa jer je ubio našeg predsednika ili se plašio da će progovoriti? Nismo sigurni da li ćemo ikada znati taj odgovor za života. Ali verujem da neko zna odgovore

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    It is exactly that existing Zapruder film that makes me second guess myself about a conspiracy.  How the president lurches backwards when the fatal head shot hit him. Wouldn't he of went forward if hit from behind? Also, you can clearly see the damage done to the skull from the Zapruder film, yet by the time the president reaches the Naval hospital for an autopsy, his head woulds look nothing like they did in the film. They are entirerly in the back of his head and not the front like in the famous footage.  Somewhere between Dallas, then Washington, then to the Naval hospital, could someone of doctored those wounds?
    Gawd, I could go on and on with this topic.

                                                                          PMM

    Upravo taj postojeći Zapruderov film me tera da pretpostavim o zaveri. Kako se predsednik trgne unazad kada ga je pogodio kobni hitac u glavu. Zar ne bi išao napred ako bi ga udario otpozadi? Takođe, iz filma Zapruder se jasno može videti oštećenje lobanje, ali dok predsednik stigne u Pomorsku bolnicu na obdukciju, njegova glava više neće izgledati kao na filmu. One su mu u potpunosti na potiljku, a ne na prednjoj strani kao na čuvenom snimku. Negde između Dalasa, zatim Vašingtona, pa do Mornaričke bolnice, da li bi neko mogao da izleči te rane?
    Gavd, mogao bih da nastavim sa ovom temom.

    PMM

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    And it seems to me to whom the truth is unnecessary, and is necessary only for the book on history

    A meni se čini kome je istina nepotrebna, a potrebna samo za knjigu o istoriji

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well, after many years of not understanding this, I did see the Phil Donahue show once and he had the people who thought it was a conspiracy.

    The one shot I saw on the zapruder film, showed what (To me) looked like ashot hitting the head on one side, now LHO was behind him..Nope, not one shooter, likely 2 and I don't accept the "Magic Bullet Theory" as conclusive or even possible.

    Finally, I was just about 3.5 years and they had all the children sitting in a cluster of chairs and the teachers were sobbing and I realized (about 10 years later) why they were crying.

    Pa, posle mnogo godina nerazumevanja ovoga, jednom sam video emisiju Fila Donahjua i imao je ljude koji su mislili da je to zavera.

    Jedan snimak koji sam video na Zapruder filmu, pokazao je šta je (Meni) izgledalo kao hitac koji je pogodio glavu sa jedne strane, sada je LHO bio iza njega.. Ne, ne jedan strelac, verovatno 2 i ne prihvatam "Magiju Teorija metka“ kao konačna ili čak moguća.

    Konačno, imao sam samo 3,5 godine i svu decu su sedela u grupi stolica, a nastavnici su jecali i shvatio sam (oko 10 godina kasnije) zašto plaču.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    See, to me, the magic bullet theory did happen. I saw a reproduction of the Zapruder tape frame by frame, and you could judge from the faces of Kennedy first, then instantly, Govenor Connally was hit.  Through Kennedys lower neck, heading down then thru Connallys back, out below his nipple, thru his wrist, then into his thigh. This is very plausible to me, and is supported by many experts today. Not a single bullet theory, but a single bullet fact is how it is explained. 
    It's that whole head shot thing that is the question for me. It just doesnt add up.
                                                                              PMM

    Vidite, za mene, teorija magičnog metka se desila. Video sam reprodukciju Zapruderove trake kadar po kadar, i prvo ste mogli da procenite po Kenedijevim licima, a onda je istog trenutka pogođen guvenor Konali. Kroz Kenedijev donji vrat, ide dole pa kroz Connallis nazad, ispod bradavice, kroz zglob, pa u butinu. Ovo mi je veoma uverljivo i podržavaju ga mnogi stručnjaci danas. Ne jedna teorija o jednom metku, već činjenica o jednom metku je kako se to objašnjava.
    Pitanje je za mene. Jednostavno se ne sabira.
    PMM

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Odd occurences do not make a conspiracy smiley

    I would equate the "evidence" of a conspiracy equal with the evidence of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.  (Now, perhaps PMM or Lips will do a thread on Bigfoot??? lol)

    Čudne pojave ne čine zaveru smiley

    Izjednačio bih „dokaze“ zavere jednake dokazima Bigfuta i čudovišta iz Loh Nesa. (Sada će možda PMM ili Lips napraviti temu o Bigfutu??? lol)

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Odd occurences do not make a conspiracy smiley

    I would equate the "evidence" of a conspiracy equal with the evidence of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.  (Now, perhaps PMM or Lips will do a thread on Bigfoot??? lol)
    Oh hell doc........why would we go and do that??

    Čudne pojave ne čine zaveru smiley

    Izjednačio bih „dokaze“ zavere jednake dokazima Bigfuta i čudovišta iz Loh Nesa. (Sada će možda PMM ili Lips napraviti temu o Bigfutu??? lol)
    Oh, dođavola, doktore......... zašto bismo otišli i uradili to??
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I do believe it was a conspiracy! Otherwise the truth would have revealed long ago! And we would know already what happened then...I think the government let us know what only they want! Will we ever know the truth!? In my opinion, nope!

    Verujem da je to bila zavera! Inače bi istina odavno otkrivena! A znali bismo već šta je tada bilo...Mislim da nam je vlast dala do znanja šta samo oni hoće! Hoćemo li ikada saznati istinu!? Po mom mišljenju, ne!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If was a conspiracy, where is any evidence?  The only so called "evidence" are things we consider odd occurances. 

    The assasination of JFK is a text book example of how a single, troubled person...Oswald...can create a large historical event.  And this is hard for folks to accept. 

    For example, the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 which killed hundreds and left the city in ruins was caused by a single cow kicking over a latern.  Conspiracy?  Nope.  Just another instance of how something very simple can create large, historic events.

    Ako je bila zavera, gde su dokazi? Jedini takozvani "dokazi" su stvari koje smatramo čudnim pojavama.

    Ubistvo JFK-a je primer iz udžbenika kako jedna, problematična osoba...Osvald... može stvoriti veliki istorijski događaj. I to je ljudima teško da prihvate.

    Na primer, veliki požar u Čikagu iz 1871. godine koji je ubio stotine ljudi i ostavio grad u ruševinama bio je izazvan tako što je jedna krava udarila nogom preko lamela. Zavera? Jok. Samo još jedan primer kako nešto vrlo jednostavno može stvoriti velike, istorijske događaje.

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