Marihuana....lonac...refer!!!

Hi Members,

I know when it comes to marijuana....weed........pot.....reefer...there is opinions on both sides of the fence whether or not it should be legalized.

Please vote and tell us why.......thanks!

Lips

My brother was addicted to drogs. He started with Marijuana. He died three month ago, drowning in a lake high on drogs. Sorry but I have seen to much of the backsides of all kind of drugs to think that legalizing would be a good thing. If it is used as medicin, fine, but nothing else.

My pot days are behind me as well, a better difference in my life since
i quit the pot, it did lead me to wanting stronger drugs.. I'm
just glad i quit. If you ever have just took a real good look at a bunch
of teenage potheads.. you'd vote a big NO.

Marijuana they say is bad.  I think it helps the country it keeps the so called wanta be gang members of the street because they are to stoned to drive go rob a bank etc.

It is not a gate way to another drug.  The drug that the government has to worried about is the meth, cocaine, etc.

I am not a user of any drugs I just kick the habit of cigs and that was the hardest thing for a person to do.

It helps sick people with their pain.  And now the government wants to make it legal so that they can tax it.  That is great another thing the government can get their hands on. 

Their are so many of the medical marijuana stores in L.A right now it is unreal.  Their is no need for you to go to a drug corner to buy weed.  No more drug deals that has gone wrong.

It is a natural drug that you can even grow on your own.  I see no problem with legalizing the drug.

Happy gaming all

Well I guess I'll be the first current smoker to post.  I understand that, in rare circumstances, it can become a gateway drug.  However, I have been a smoker for 20 years and I have some (but not MOST as is the stigmatism) friends that smoke, and other than in our younger,wilder years, no one that I know has had it lead to stronger drugs. Have you ever noticed that you always hear of people that are drunk (legal) or on Meth, Coke ect that get into huge fights or commit murder or armed robbery????  You NEVER hear of someone smoking a joint and doing these things.  Anyone that is stoned is more worried about what they're going to have for a munch at dinner than hurting someone else.  Now on the medical side of things.  I personally suffer from severe stress and stomach acid.  Those issues are severely lessened with the help of marijuana.  It helps me be a normal functioning person instead of a nervous, stressed out basket case that is no good to anyone....especially myself!!!  I have complete respect for everyones opinion on this matter whether it is the same as mine or not.  I just hope that anyone reading my post will have the same respect for my opinion (and experience) as I do for theirs.

I think your right boo..most pot smokers would just be too tired to get up and go rob a bank..rather argue over whose going to get up and answer the door 

And now that I have gotten older, I have been trying to use more natural methods of healing...I take too much meds, and am really trying to get off as many as I can.
So maybe I can trade in the Prilosec for a joint, hey?   :D  It's been a while but I'm sure it would probably help me destressed and maybe even help me sleep a little.

My take on the legalization of drugs, pot being the least of it is that the largest cause of drugs ruining a persons life, and impacting society come almost solely from the fact that they are illegal.

Unlike alcohol, someone with an addiction has little recourse for recovery, the very illegality placing such a risk on procurement that prices, and profits are astronomical almost begging for organised gangs and underworlds willing to kill to keep the profits rolling in.

Instead of nearly bankrupting our communities in an effort to "fight" a hypocritical war on drugs, taxation, similar to that on alcohol and tobacco, would go vast distances in bringing in much needed funding to commumities large and small. In a period of last gasp struggling by our nations small farmers, a new cash crop, one that has a diversity of uses such as hemp (Cannibis sativa's superiority to cotton for everything from paper and rope to clothing and even fine pigments is well documented.)

Add to this the not only known medicinal benefits, but those that medical research has still not discovered we have a potentially beneficial product the likes of which surged this nation into the last industrial age with the invention of the cotton gin.

This being said, marijuana as a recreational drug is probably less harmful to a community than alcohol has ever been. The physical detriments to the human body less dangerous, the acute symtoms less impairing and in moderation, the chronic long term use, studies are showing, less harmful than tobacco.

As a gateway drug, or leading to further experimentation with harder drugs, once more the illicitness of doing something rebellious, the risk of being caught for what is a minor mellow buzz gets weighed and a more intense High for the risk is a natural progression.

While I no longer indulge, except on very rare occasions there is not a drug out there that at one point or another in my life has not been given a try... (sometimes more than single experiments, grin). Yes, as Neil Young so eloquently put it, I have seen the needle and the damage done... but also have the intellegence to recognize how much of that damage, and the draw to self destructive personalities  that the very illicitness of the drugs themselves has been the draw... rather than the simple Buzz from the use.

We are adults... there is no coercion for anyone to use anything... There should not be any to prevent it either.

Jimb, that was excellent to read, perfectly and very well said.
But for me, Marijane did lead to stronger drugs, and most will
not admit that. Alot Marijuana has become their savior to facing life
depending on it for relaxation, fun, and the getaway from what life
can do to us, in turn makes one not find the way life should be.
You end up not motivated, just wanting to get high and forget the world
When it gets tougher, the drug yearn gets stronger. Then you become
dependent on it, ending up with weak minded adults trying to find
the easy way out, "we don't need a job" "let's just sell weed".. Ending up
not getting an education. When life drops you off this Merry-go-Round
and it's just not fun anymore, the next step.. a stronger drug.. and there ya go.. oh this is just too easy.. selling this stuff to addicted people, can't get enough of it, and using it themselves,  you can see this picture.. i hope

Smoking weed did impair me, it is not natural, and any other illegal
drug i ever used impaired my judgement, distorted my correct thoughts,
I'm just thankful i no longer use them, and have found the beauty
and magic that life has to offer without them..
I'm against it because of the devastration i have seen others in
and them only starting with that first puff of Mary J

Much more to say but i think i need a drink and a cig

Imagination,

All of what you said is also relevant to Alcohol, tobacco and any other proscribed drug. There will always be those amongst us with dependant personalities, there will always be those with entitlement thinking ( dont need a job, I'll just kick back and waste away) and you make my point with the comment "I'll just sell drugs". The only reason selling drugs is a lucrative is because being illegal, they draw top dollar. Remove that incentive and much of the problems asociated with it go away.

Remove the stigma of illegality and the dependant personalities are able to seek out the support system's, similar to AA, without stigma.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes, but legalizing Alcohol was a big mistake, it has devastated alot of families, and i think that if it wasn't so easy to get it wouldn't be so much
heartache, and be less as destructive as even weed, making it so easy
is what has gotten booze so bad, and cigarettes same thing

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I never had any problem with procurement, and I sure as hell didn't worry about price, or gang members.
I was buying a quarter pound every thursday and splitting it up between four of us, no high prices, no troubles as you have there...pot was a lot cheaper back then too, and better variety.

And I like you Viv..did start out with pot, then hash, then whatever I could get my hands on..it was the time we lived in..some of us did it, some didn't.  I always had that try anything twice attitude, so I don't know if it was a gateway, or if it just would have happened.  I just like to think of myself as spirited.  But whether it is legal or not, people need to know there own limits.  Its up to them to take care of themselves, not the government.

lips..you just brought me back..but i am pleading the 5th 

roflmaooooooooooo oh yeah Nal....you have been there done that too!!!!!

Lips

I was one of the nerdy kids who never tried the drugs. Glad now that I didn't. I have however done my part in consuming alcohol. I don't abuse it just drink socially on occasion, my sister was an alcoholic and died at a young age tragically because of her drinking so that is enough reason for me to leave it alone.As for marijuana, I am for it being used to help people who suffer from illnesses if it can help them and I think in most places that is already legal. I have MS and if I thought it would help my pain and discomfort I would not hesitate to ask my doctor for a prescription.

Hi Deb,

I agree, if it eases any discomfort for someone then i am all for it. In fact in Illinois it is not legal...like everything else. But i would buy it anyway if i thought it would help someone.

I'm sorry to hear about your MS. I have a very close friend who also has it. She got diagnosed at 30 and has had it now for 3 years. Some days are good.....some days are bad. She recently had a stroke....at 33. Doctor thinks that it is due to the MS that brought it on. She is doing alot better and should make a full recovery.

Always know that people here at LCB are here. I hope we bring you enjoyment and fun as you pass through the site. It's a nice place to escape and get away from it all. Sometimes the best people to talk to are at arms length.

Take care of yourself...i will think of you often.

Lips

Thank you so much for the kind words lips. I refuse to give in to my illness, I just keep pushing. Sometimes it is difficult but I refuse to let MS take over my life. I was misdiagnosed for many years my doctor now(he is a MS specialist) said I have probably had this since I was 20 years old and no one found it. I had all the symptoms that long ago. So that means I went without treatment which could have slowed the progression of the disease. I hope your friend is well.

I tell you. I'm kind of halfway on this issue.

Medical? No probs.

Social? Not likely.

I know some would be afraid of say a school bus driver having a bowl before driving the kids home.. This is unlikely as while if it was legal, the employers can refuse to hire based upon a drug test anyway.

I've known people to use it "On Occasions" and they always were good workers. I've also seen people get "Terminated" because they failed the  drug test. (Good workers, but couldn't leave it and the other stuff alone One guy was said to be a walking chemical factory, God only knows how he'd lived that long)

So I'd have to say that if it's legalized, then let's keep it for those who can use it (Cancer therapy use is really good) but for "social or occasional" use, then you take your chances.

Oh, I tried it about 5-6 times. I liken it to alcohol in that the after effects suck (Like a hangover) and I didn't like spending 3 days getting back to where I was before I tried some.

But those times, it was pretty good..:)

thank God you didn't try the shrooms 

Shrooms.. once a while back..
I went over a friend of a friends house, and there
sitting at the table was this guy ripping up shrooms
(i asked what it was he was doing, never seeing it before
he told me what it was and what it did)
I was like, no thanks thats not for me, i've heard about shrooms
He did what he had to do, ate them then got up from that spot
and went to the couch, well i moved over to where he was sitting
at the table to see the TV better, put my arm on the table to lean on it.
About 20 minutes later, i noticed that people on TV started to look
"animated" like a video game, mouths, faces everything and
there was slow motion in the words, and like my own were slow..
Kinda made me laugh, but i was getting mad that everything was looking so weird..
feeling like i'm in a video game and not knowing what is going on
with myself, asking "why you look like a video game character?"
like those characters in GTA.. anyways i realized what happened
i leaned my arm in the spot where he cut up that shroom and it
absorbed through my skin..
Never knew anything like that could happen, luckily it was a lite
type trip and didn't last long,couple hours, i was scared 

personally i can't stand smokin' the stuff nor do i drink....but i don't have anything against them either i just don't like the feeling or effects it gives...now give me some udder tings..well..i'll take 'em! never seen anyone get violent or commit crimes cuz of the stuff...i know i'm not like that at all..nor are any of my friends..so i think this statement is missing a key factor - perhaps this is not so much the drugs causing the violence but more the environment or type of crowd they are associated with. (exception - alcohol)

I absolutely believe Marijuana should be legal! The medical benefits of it are far great to ignore!

When I worked in Oncology, most of the cancer patients were on handfuls of medication a day! Not only is it expensive but negative effects to the body and liver were great.  Not to mention the extreme cost to patients and insurance companies for the extremely over priced medications!

For instance... Chemo drugs are a god send however, the side effects are terrible. A patient recieving chemo experiences nausea so they take pills to stop nausea, they take pills for the pain, they take pills for the constipation the pain pills cause, Chemo kills the appetite so they take pills for appetite.... on and on and on and on.

If marujuana was legal not only is it CHEAPER, but can be used as a pain medication AND and appetite booster, hence reducing the amount of meds in a day and the cost to the patient and insurance companies

Nal.. I'd rather eat tail 

probably...did you know shrooms are grown in cow shit? (sorry...cow flaps, for those
who don't know what a cow flap is)  and that is what they taste like too.
ok if you smoke them, but if you eat them...yuk

The strength and potency of marijuanna is based on three things. Genetics, Soil conditions and cultivation practices. the active ingredient in mariguanna that give's the "high" effect is tetrahydracannabinol (THC). This is a naturally occuring compound linked to the reproductive cycle of the plant and is in it's greatest concentrations during gestation (budding). That said, male plants have very little THC while it is the female of the species that is most desired.

Sensemilla, a particularly potent varient, is simply the practice of maintaining the plant's as virginal, stripping off all contact with males forcing their reproductive cycles into overdrive as the plant try's to overcome it's enviromental constraints and successfully reproduce. This over stimulation, when properly nutrated, results in very "sticky" Flower clusters or buds. the THC actually crystalizes on the surface of the flower sticking to the fine red hairs in the hopes of being picked up by a wandering bee. it also has a very Pungent aroma as an attractantto those same bees.

As for additives or lacing. while in some instances PCP or Cocaine , Liquid THC or hash oil will be used on individual joints by end users, the practice, from a commercial standpoint is to expensive t be a normal practice. In the past there has been some concern of insecticides and Defoliants such as Paraquat which was sprayed indeterminably by the US DEA most typically in the Mexican growing areas. This practice was used from the late part of the 1970' to the early 80's and was a cause for concern as it's carcinogenic properties were well know. (Paraquat was illegal to use or purchase in the US for this very reason) and the health risk was the lynchpin that finally caused the practice to be abandoned.

of course... this is just a hypothetical answer as the use and cultivation of this product are illegal in my jurisdiction.

Jimbeaux your vast knowledge never ceases to amaze me.  Is there anything you don't know (and can you loan a little bit of that amazing brain to me for a while).hehehehehe

uhmmm lets say I dabbled...

and even inhaled (accidentally, of course).

I gahzillion dabbled, inhaled on purpose..
and on EVERY occasion..
and i didn't know all those things that jimb just posted..
But i'm wondering is their a real addiction to pot..
I know when i quit, i went cold turkey, only thing was
just physcological dependance, but no physical dependance
so no withdrawals, but i was very determined to quit.

Uh Nal, was definitely dating myself there.

Most of that came off the top of my head. My long term memory is fine... My short term is still a bit fried.

oh, and smoking shrooms is a waste. the psilocybin does not transfer well by being burned, instead it must be processed through the blood stream to be effective.

Now if we were talking about true potent lacing, Opiumated Thai stick comes to mind. I remember watching village woman taking bundles of Thai weed and soaking them in opium oil before wrapping the still wet buds for drying. I used to be able to give 5 cents American for a single green stick that weighed a bit over an ounce and a half. hard part was sneaking it back on base afterward.

wow..thai stick..forgot about that.  only had it a couple times.  that was cheap, huh.

listen..you think smoking the shrooms was a waste, should have seen us when we ran out, and smoked the catnip!!!

good old days