Ahhhh....we are in the stretch for Christmas! (Or Winter Holiday, for my non-Christian friends!)
For those of you who have kids, or just have an opinion, how do you feel about kids believing in Santa Claus?
Some parents REALLY get into Santa! Wow, when I used to still practice therapy, I had a few OCD parents who had odd fixations on Santa! Oh boy....
Others feel it is a silly comercial figure based on a giant lie....and why drag kids into that?
Some people have justice issues with this character: Santa = well off white kids in America get toys. (rest of the world continues to starve)
Some Christian fundamentalists reject Santa as a bad distraction from the Nativity. Perhaps you have heard a Bible Thumper tell you that you can mix up the letters of SANTA CLAUS and it spells "Satan Cal us!"
For a period of time, when my kids were small, I did the Santa thing with them. It was cute and there is a lot of presure to norm-in to this custom. Soon the Santa thing became silly. Also, I did some research. The Santa of today has zero to do with St. Nicholas of the early Church Fathers. To us Santa is part of "Holiday blend" in our culture.
So, we do Santa on Christmas morning, but that is it. We just keep it as family time and keeping religious customs. We also practice charitable parity. We make sure we give more to helping-organizations (Salvation Army, etc.) than we spend on presents. In short, Santa does not make it happen for us, but, he sure looks cute hanging on the Xmas Tree!
Thoughts?
U redu da manipulišete decom da veruju u Deda Mraza????
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Ahhhh....u pripremi smo za Božić! (Ili Zimski praznik, za moje nehrišćanske prijatelje!)
Za one od vas koji imaju decu ili samo imaju svoje mišljenje, šta mislite o deci koja veruju u Deda Mraza?
Neki roditelji STVARNO ulaze u Deda Mraza! Vau, kada sam još uvek praktikovao terapiju, imao sam nekoliko roditelja OCD koji su imali čudne fiksacije na Deda Mraza! O dečko....
Drugi smatraju da je to glupa komercijalna figura zasnovana na ogromnoj laži.... i zašto uvlačiti decu u to?
Neki ljudi imaju problema sa pravdom sa ovim likom: Deda Mraz = dobro bela deca u Americi dobijaju igračke. (ostatak sveta i dalje gladuje)
Neki hrišćanski fundamentalisti odbacuju Deda Mraza kao lošu smetnju od rođenja. Možda ste čuli kako vam Bible Thumper govori da možete pomešati slova DEDA MRAZA i da piše "Satana Cal us!"
Jedno vreme, dok su moja deca bila mala, radila sam sa njima stvar Deda Mraza. Bilo je slatko i postoji veliki pritisak da se normira ovaj običaj. Ubrzo je stvar sa Deda Mrazom postala smešna. Takođe, uradio sam neko istraživanje. Današnji Deda Mraz nema nikakve veze sa svetim Nikolom prvih otaca Crkve. Za nas Deda Mraz je deo „praznične mešavine“ u našoj kulturi.
Dakle, radimo Deda Mraza na Božićno jutro, ali to je to. Samo ga držimo kao porodično vreme i čuvamo verske običaje. Takođe praktikujemo dobrotvorni paritet. Vodimo računa da dajemo više organizacijama koje pomažu (Vojska spasa, itd.) nego što trošimo na poklone. Ukratko, Deda Mraz nam to ne čini, ali on sigurno izgleda slatko dok visi na božićnom drvcu!
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- u Nov 07, 09, 09:06:49 AM
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Hiya Doc,
Not believe in Santa? I could not imagine what life would be not to. I still believe in Santa. It represents the spirit of the season. He is the spiritual magic that touches us all throughout the season.
I have a article i put in a frame and hang every Christmas. I think it says it all:
Eight-year-old Virginia O'Hanlon wrote a letter to the editor of New York's Sun, and the quick response was printed as an unsigned editorial Sept. 21, 1897. The work of veteran newsman Francis Pharcellus Church has since become history's most reprinted newspaper editorial, appearing in part or whole in dozens of languages in books, movies, and other editorials, and on posters and stamps.
DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.
Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?
VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET.
VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.
Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.
No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
LipsZdravo Doc,
Ne verujete u Deda Mraza? Nisam mogao da zamislim kakav bi život bio da ne. I dalje verujem u Deda Mraza. Predstavlja duh sezone. On je duhovna magija koja nas sve dotiče tokom cele sezone.
Imam članak koji stavljam u okvir i okačim svakog Božića. Mislim da to sve govori:
Osmogodišnja Virdžinija O'Henlon napisala je pismo uredniku Nev Iork's Sun-a, a brzi odgovor je odštampan kao nepotpisani uvodnik 21. septembra 1897. Rad novinara veterana Frensisa Farselusa Čerča od tada je postao najpreštampaniji u istoriji novinski uvodnik, koji se delimično ili u celini pojavljuje na desetinama jezika u knjigama, filmovima i drugim uvodnicima, kao i na posterima i markama.
POŠTOVANI UREDNIČE: Imam 8 godina.
Neki moji mali prijatelji kažu da nema Deda Mraza.
Tata kaže: 'Ako to vidite na SUNCU, tako je.
Molim te reci mi istinu; ima li Deda Mraza?
VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
115 ZAPADNA DEVEDESET PETA ULICA.
VIRGINIJA, tvoji mali prijatelji greše. Na njih je uticao skepticizam skeptičnog doba. Oni ne veruju osim u ono što vide. Oni misle da ništa ne može biti što nije razumljivo njihovim malim umovima. Svi umovi, Virdžinija, bilo da su muški ili dečiji, su mali. U ovom našem velikom univerzumu čovek je običan insekt, mrav, u svom intelektu, u poređenju sa beskrajnim svetom oko njega, mereno inteligencijom koja je sposobna da shvati celu istinu i znanje.
Da, VIRGINIJA, postoji Deda Mraz. On postoji sigurno kao što postoje ljubav i velikodušnost i odanost, a vi znate da one obiluju i daju vašem životu najveću lepotu i radost. Avaj! kako bi svet bio tužan da nema Deda Mraza. Bilo bi turobno kao da nema VIRĐINIJA. Tada ne bi bilo detinje vere, poezije, romantike koja bi ovo postojanje učinila podnošljivim. Ne bi trebalo da uživamo, osim u čulu i vidu. Ugasila bi se večna svetlost kojom detinjstvo ispunjava svet.
Ne verujte u Deda Mraza! Možda i ne verujete u vile! Možda biste naveli svog tatu da unajmi muškarce da gledaju u sve dimnjake na Badnje veče kako bi uhvatili Deda Mraza, ali čak i da ne vide Deda Mraza kako silazi, šta bi to dokazalo? Niko ne vidi Deda Mraza, ali to nije znak da Deda Mraza nema. Najstvarnije stvari na svetu su one koje ni deca ni muškarci ne mogu da vide. Da li ste ikada videli vile kako plešu na travnjaku? Naravno da nije, ali to nije dokaz da ih nema. Niko ne može zamisliti ili zamisliti sva čuda koja su nevidljiva i nevidljiva na svetu.
Možete razdvojiti bebinu zvečku i videti šta stvara buku iznutra, ali postoji veo koji pokriva nevidljivi svet koji ni najjači čovek, pa čak ni ujedinjena snaga svih najjačih ljudi koji su ikada živeli, ne bi mogli da rastrgnu. Samo vera, fantazija, poezija, ljubav, romansa, mogu da odgurnu tu zavesu i pogledaju i slikaju natprirodnu lepotu i slavu iza. Da li je sve stvarno? Ah, VIRGINIJA, u celom ovom svetu ne postoji ništa drugo stvarno i trajno.
Nema Deda Mraza! Hvala Bogu! živi, i živi zauvek. Za hiljadu godina od sada, Virdžinija, ne, deset puta deset hiljada godina od sada, on će nastaviti da raduje srce detinjstva.
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Yep......"Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus" is a classic. Though, I think it is more about sentimentality and nostalgia than anything substantial.
Case in point. When I volunteered for the Salvation Army I met a little boy named John. He would go to every shopping mall Santa with his list. Each Santa told John he would get something in his stocking and something under the tree! Ho, ho, ho! When John awoke on Christmas morning he found no presents, no stockings. Just his mother hung over in bed with the latest pick up.
Iscolated case? No. Happens all the time. By the millions in this country alone.
Though, keep in mind, I am not anti Santa....no Humbug here! Just my own perspective. I will be interested to see what folks post on this!Da....."Da, Virdžinija, postoji Deda Mraz" je klasik. Mada, mislim da se više radi o sentimentalnosti i nostalgiji nego o bilo čemu suštinskom.
Slučaj u tački. Kada sam se dobrovoljno prijavio u Vojsku spasa, upoznao sam malog dečaka po imenu Džon. Otišao bi u svaki tržni centar Deda Mraz sa svojom listom. Svaki Deda Mraz je rekao Džonu da će dobiti nešto u svojoj čarapi i nešto ispod drveta! Ho Ho Ho! Kada se Džon probudio na božićno jutro, nije našao nikakve poklone, nikakve čarape. Samo je njegova majka visila u krevetu sa najnovijim stavkama.
Iscolated case? Ne. Dešava se stalno. Samo milionima u ovoj zemlji.
Mada, imajte na umu, ja nisam protiv Deda Mraza.... ovde nema Humbug! Samo moja sopstvena perspektiva. Biće mi zainteresovano da vidim šta ljudi objavljuju o ovome! -
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- u Nov 07, 09, 10:17:58 AM
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Doc,
I knew that would be coming from you!! Yes there is less fortunate. It is in every walk of life. Shall we not celebrate mothers day because a child never knew his mother? Should we not celebrate Memorial day because someone did not personally lose someone in war or believe in war?
Yes, there is children throughout the world who do not even have food must less presents. It is people like you and i that our hearts are filled with love for those less fortunate. That's why we have Salvation Army dinging there bells on street corners, Crusade of Mercy who has ornaments hanging from trees to sponsor a child in need etc. This brings the less fortunate a feeling of the magical season.
Santa is the instrument for which we bring smiles on peoples faces young and old. It is the time of year we think about all the less fortunate. If that is not the closet thing to God......i don't know what is.
Too bad Santa was not around all year long......our hearts would be filled with the spirit of giving!
LipsDoc,
Znao sam da će to doći od tebe!! Da, ima manje srećnih. Ima ga u svakoj sferi života. Zar nećemo slaviti dan majki jer dete nikada nije poznavalo svoju majku? Zar ne treba da slavimo Dan sećanja jer neko nije lično izgubio nekoga u ratu ili verovao u rat?
Da, ima dece širom sveta koja nemaju ni hranu, moraju manje poklona. Ljudi poput tebe i mene su ti koji su naša srca ispunjena ljubavlju prema onima manje srećnim. Zato imamo Armiju spasa koja zvoni zvonima na ćoškovima ulica, Krstaški rat milosrđa koji ima ornamente koji vise sa drveća da bi sponzorisali dete u nevolji itd. Ovo donosi manje srećnima osećaj magične sezone.
Deda Mraz je instrument kojim izmamimo osmeh na lica mladih i starih. To je doba godine kada mislimo na sve manje srećne. Ako to nije najsvežija stvar Bogu......ne znam šta je.
Šteta što Deda Mraz nije bio tu cele godine......naša srca bi bila ispunjena duhom davanja!
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drpsyce, I knew about the Santa- Santan connection, but not the "Call us" I think that's funny.
As to manipulate kids into believing in Santa Claus, that's something I'd have to stand back and think on. They can learn that "Tis better to give them receieve" but the Parents shouldn't go overboard on giving to the kids (Like drpsyce)
Instead start them in giving to the poor around 5 and show them "We'll be happy that we gave them who have less, to help them"
My Sister and I used to go nuts (At times) when those giving trees came out, but after 3 years, we quit as the kids (And even adults) wanted the latest electronic toys (Nintendo $150-$300) and I told one tree person that "I'd be hanged if I give a stranger that, when I wouldn't buy it for my sisters kids!"drpsice, znao sam za vezu Deda Mraz - Deda Mraz, ali ne i za "Pozovite nas", mislim da je to smešno.
Što se tiče manipulisanja decom da veruju u Deda Mraza, to je nešto o čemu bih morao da se povučem i razmislim. Oni mogu da nauče da je „bolje da im daju primanje“, ali roditelji ne bi trebalo da preteraju u davanju deci (kao drpsice)
Umesto toga započnite ih da daju siromašne oko 5 i pokažite im "Bićemo srećni što smo dali onima koji imaju manje, da im pomognemo"
Moja sestra i ja smo poludjele (ponekad) kada su izašla drvca koja daju, ali nakon 3 godine, dali smo otkaz jer su djeca (pa čak i odrasli) željela najnovije elektronske igračke (Nintendo $150-$300) i rekao sam jednom drvetu osoba da bi me "obesili ako to dam strancu, kad to ne bih kupio deci svojoj sestri!" -
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Genenco:
At my home I THOUGHT we were frugal in getting my 4 kids "stuff." We are not multi millionaires, but I am very blessed and have made the choice to live simply. (Except for my gambling! Woooo!) But, even after being careful about getting my kids too much, we STILL have a house full of CRAP! Thus, the reason we do ONE gift at Christmas. One!
Oh, I think Santa representing "the spirit of giving" is a stretch! lolGenenco:
U mojoj kući sam MISLIO da smo štedljivi u nabavci „stvari“ za moje četvoro dece. Mi nismo višestruki milioneri, ali ja sam veoma blagosloven i odlučio sam da živim jednostavno. (Osim mog kockanja! Voooo!) Ali, čak i nakon što smo bili pažljivi da previše dobijem svoju decu, I dalje imamo punu kuću govna! Dakle, razlog zašto dajemo JEDAN poklon za Božić. Jedan!
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- u Nov 07, 09, 11:19:56 AM
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I don't think it's a bad thing at all 4 kids 2 believe in Santa; our world is so crazy, & it seems kids have 2 grow up & face the realities of life so much sooner than back when I was a kid. I say let them believe as long as possible. I remember I was in EIGHTH GRADE, laying in bed trying 2 fall asleep, & I overheard my Mom say 2 my Dad " C'mon, we have 2 put the presents under the tree 4 the kids b4 we go 2 bed." I WAS DEVASTATED!!!! Ultimately, it didn't matter though....... I STILL believe in Santa
Mislim da uopšte nije loša stvar 4 dece 2 veruju u Deda Mraza; naš svet je tako lud, i čini se da deca odrastaju i suočavaju se sa realnošću života mnogo ranije nego kad sam ja bio dete. Kažem neka veruju što duže. Sećam se da sam bio u osmom razredu, ležao sam u krevetu pokušavajući da zaspim, i čuo sam mamu kako kaže 2 moj tata "Hajde, mi smo 2 stavili poklone pod jelku 4 deca b4 idemo u krevet." BILA SAM STRAŠENA!!!! Na kraju krajeva, nije bilo važno....... I dalje verujem u Deda Mraza
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