Once A Cheater Alvais??

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    What do you guys think about this, once a cheater always a cheater?  Can a former serial cheater reform their ways and be true?  Someone says they would never cheat because they are with the one that they truly love, but is that enough to keep someone true?  Is it simply in their nature regardless?  Or are they only behavinr 'for now' and you never know what may happen?

    Šta vi mislite o ovome, jednom varalica, uvek varalica? Može li bivši serijski varalica promeniti svoj način i biti istinit? Neko kaže da nikada ne bi prevarili jer su sa onim koga istinski vole, ali da li je to dovoljno da neko ostane istinit? Da li je to jednostavno u njihovoj prirodi bez obzira na to? Ili se ponašaju samo 'za sada' i nikad ne znate šta se može dogoditi?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Yes, I believe people are able to reform.

    Da, verujem da su ljudi u stanju da se reformišu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    One CAN change learned behavior, but one can NOT change the person they were born to be!

    Čovek MOŽE da promeni naučeno ponašanje, ali NE može da promeni osobu za koju je rođen!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    One CAN change learned behavior, but one can NOT change the person they were born to be!




    hmmm..thats a witty philosophical play with words..and indeed true.

    So then, in the context of this post,  the question to you is:  Is cheating a learned behavior?

    I think it is.

    Čovek MOŽE da promeni naučeno ponašanje, ali NE može da promeni osobu za koju je rođen!




    hmmm..to je duhovita filozofska igra rečima..i zaista istinita.

    Dakle, u kontekstu ovog posta, pitanje za vas je: Da li je varanje naučeno ponašanje?

    Mislim da je.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Slot- that's what I think too.  This person loves characters in movies where the lead is promiscuous, sexually adventurous, completely relates to womanizers etc.  Like Skin Deep, thinks it is hilarious etc.  (so do I by the way, but I think it is a bit more with this person) Is a big romantic too, especially about 'the one'.  It just makes me curious if reform has happened, or if the next time they get bored they will act out- like if 'the one' isn't living up to the expectations set for them.  Hmm... 

    Slot - to i ja mislim. Ova osoba voli likove u filmovima u kojima je glavna uloga promiskuitetna, seksualno avanturistička, u potpunosti se odnosi na ženskaroše itd. Kao Skin Deep, misli da je urnebesno itd. (i ja inače, ali mislim da je to malo više sa ovom osobom ) I veliki romantik, posebno u vezi sa 'onim'. Samo me čini znatiželjnim da li se reforma dogodila, ili će sledeći put kada im bude dosadno postupiti kao da „onaj“ ne ispunjava očekivanja koja su im postavljena. hm...

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    toodleedoo, Is your question about a specific person?  Or were asking in general, if serial cheaters are able to change their ways?

    toodleedoo, Da li je vaše pitanje o određenoj osobi? Ili ste se uopšteno pitali da li su serijski varalice u stanju da promene svoje načine?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski


    One CAN change learned behavior, but one can NOT change the person they were born to be!




    hmmm..thats a witty philosophical play with words..and indeed true.

    So then, in the context of this post,  the question to you is:  Is cheating a learned behavior?

    I think it is.


    I believe it is a self taught addiction, and like any bad learned behavioral habits(drugs, gambling, over-eating...) it can be unlearned!! One first has to see it is a problem and then want to make a change. I also believe the only time the change is effective and long lasting is when they have came to a revelation on their own, not from an ultimatum or threat of a loved one!

    Which makes me think of this(a little off subject but...) I have a friend that was on drugs and ever time he had a relapse, he would say it is a disease(I can't help it) and I would say no cancer is a disease, asthma is a disease...drugs is a CHOICE that you have trained your body and mind to need in order to function normally or think you are functioning normally(Not)!  I believe the same applies to sex addiction or any other addiction!

    So through all my babbling, the answer to your question is, yes :-)


    Čovek MOŽE da promeni naučeno ponašanje, ali NE može da promeni osobu za koju je rođen!




    hmmm..to je duhovita filozofska igra rečima..i zaista istinita.

    Dakle, u kontekstu ovog posta, pitanje za vas je: Da li je varanje naučeno ponašanje?

    Mislim da je.


    Verujem da je to samouka zavisnost, i kao i sve loše naučene navike ponašanja (droge, kockanje, prejedanje...) može se odučiti!! Čovek prvo mora da vidi da je to problem, a zatim da poželi da napravi promenu. Takođe verujem da je promena efikasna i dugotrajna jedino kada su sami došli do otkrića, a ne iz ultimatuma ili pretnje voljene osobe!

    Zbog čega razmišljam o ovome (malo van teme, ali...) Imam prijatelja koji se drogirao i kad god bi imao recidiv, rekao bi da je to bolest (ne mogu pomoći) i ja bih recite da nije rak bolest, astma je bolest...lekovi su IZBOR za koji ste istrenirali svoje telo i um da treba da funkcionišu normalno ili mislite da funkcionišete normalno (Ne)! Verujem da isto važi i za zavisnost od seksa ili bilo koju drugu zavisnost!

    Dakle, kroz sve moje brbljanje, odgovor na vaše pitanje je da :-)
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski


    So through all my babbling, the answer to your question is, yes :-)


    lmao 
    btw, I agree with all that babble in yer babbling  tongue


    Dakle, kroz sve moje brbljanje, odgovor na vaše pitanje je da :-)


    lmao
    btv, slažem se sa svim tim brbljanjem u vašem brbljanju tongue
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    They may change if they learn what makes them unhappy or  lack respect for their partner. Maybe it's just a lack of excitement that makes someone cheat. As a serial cheater myself, I would say we can change!  wink j/k

    Mogu se promeniti ako nauče šta ih čini nesrećnim ili im nedostaje poštovanje prema partneru. Možda je samo nedostatak uzbuđenja ono što nekoga tera da vara. Kao serijski varalica, rekao bih da možemo da se promenimo! wink j/k

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    They may change if they learn what makes them unhappy or  lack respect for their partner. Maybe it's just a lack of excitement that makes someone cheat. As a serial cheater myself, I would say we can change!  wink j/k




    which part are you 'j/k' about?  that you are a serial cheater?  or that you can change?  hahaha lol

    Mogu se promeniti ako nauče šta ih čini nesrećnim ili im nedostaje poštovanje prema partneru. Možda je samo nedostatak uzbuđenja ono što nekoga tera da vara. Kao serijski varalica, rekao bih da možemo da se promenimo! wink j/k




    o kom delu si ti 'j/k'? da ste serijski varalica? ili da možete promeniti? hahaha lol
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Ok, well I think people can change, of course they can.

    Slot Junkie..Addiction is a disease, it is not a choice. JMO

    I think people can do whatever it is they want to do. They just have to want it bad enough. I have cheated, in my past...but that doesn't mean I would do it again.

    Mistakes are mistakes, and if they are willing to make that change..of course it is possible, just like most things in life.


    :-*

    Ok, pa mislim da ljudi mogu da se promene, naravno da mogu.

    Slot Junkie..Zavisnost je bolest, nije izbor. JMO

    Mislim da ljudi mogu da rade šta god žele. Samo moraju da žele dovoljno. Varao sam, u svojoj prošlosti...ali to ne znači da bih to uradio ponovo.

    Greške su greške, i ako su voljni da naprave tu promenu..naravno da je moguće, baš kao i većina stvari u životu.


    :-*

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think we might be getting stuck here on semantics.  'Diseases' may be congenital, organic in nature, and/ or learned.  i.e. some people see gambling as a disease.

    Mislim da smo možda zaglavili ovde na semantici. 'Bolesti' mogu biti urođene, organske prirode i/ili naučene. tj. neki ljudi vide kockanje kao bolest.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I was merely stating my opinion tongue

    She knows I her...


    :-*

    Ja sam samo izneo svoje mišljenje tongue

    Ona zna da ja nju...


    :-*

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Lack of excitement= tell, show,teach your partner what you like. If they are uncomfortable and not willing then guaranteed there will be cheating! And since sex is a big part of a relationship, if the person is unwilling to help keep it exciting, then perhaps you are in the wrong one!

    It is up to the unexcited person to get creative and make some excitement, but having a partner that is willing to play along is vital to a "blazing" bedroom tongue
    Alot of times it is how comfortable one is with them self and in the relationship that makes the difference!
    But sometimes no matter what you do, the other one still cheats because they are unhappy within themselves and are looking to feel good. But cheating only leads to a temporary quick fix feel good which is why you do it so often. To try and keep feeling good!

    I have been with my husband for over 20 years and we have to keep a fire extinguisher next to our bed or any other area we play in tongue tongue tongue grin grin cool kiss

    *note* when I say you it just means him/her/he/she

    Nedostatak uzbuđenja = recite, pokažite, naučite partnera šta volite. Ako im je neprijatno i nisu voljni, onda je zagarantovano da će biti varanja! A pošto je seks veliki deo veze, ako osoba nije voljna da pomogne da bude uzbudljiva, onda ste možda u pogrešnoj vezi!

    Na neuzbuđenoj osobi je da postane kreativna i da napravi malo uzbuđenja, ali imati partnera koji je voljan da se igra zajedno je od vitalnog značaja za "sjajnu" spavaću sobu tongue
    Mnogo puta je razlika u tome koliko je udobno sa njima samima i u vezi!
    Ali ponekad, bez obzira šta uradite, drugi i dalje vara jer su nesrećni u sebi i žele da se osećaju dobro. Ali varanje dovodi samo do privremenog brzog popravljanja da se osećate dobro zbog čega to radite tako često. Da pokušam da se osećam dobro!

    Sa suprugom sam više od 20 godina i moramo da držimo aparat za gašenje požara pored našeg kreveta ili bilo koje druge oblasti u kojoj se igramo tonguetonguetonguegringrincoolkiss

    *napomena* kada ti kažem to samo znači on/ona/on/ona

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    you buncha cheatin wenches

    vi buncha cheatin devojke

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I too love my LCB fam!

    But I don't think it is fair to call something that you choose to indulge in a disease when there are people that have a disease they CAN'T opt in/out of!

    It is a choice that affects your brain and body, thus causing  different levels of mental illness! Which some may see as a disease!

    I ja volim svoju LCB famu!

    Ali ne mislim da je fer nazivati nešto što ste izabrali da se prepustite bolesti kada postoje ljudi koji imaju bolest za koju NE MOGU da se odobre!

    To je izbor koji utiče na vaš mozak i telo i na taj način izaziva različite nivoe mentalnih bolesti! Što neki mogu videti kao bolest!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well, been there done that, and really didn't feel like it was a choice..it is a disease to me, and it will always be. Unless you suffered from addiction you don't know the feeling I am talking about, I guess I can see why some people would feel that way though.


    :-*

    Pa, uradio sam to, i stvarno nisam osećao da je to bio izbor..to je bolest za mene, i uvek će biti. Osim ako niste patili od zavisnosti, ne znate osećaj o kome govorim, pretpostavljam da vidim zašto bi se neki ljudi tako osećali.


    :-*

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I too love my LCB fam!

    But I don't think it is fair to call something that you choose to indulge in a disease when there are people that have a disease they CAN'T opt in/out of!

    It is a choice that affects your brain and body, thus causing  different levels of mental illness! Which some may see as a disease!


    zactly...nicely stated

    I ja volim svoju LCB famu!

    Ali ne mislim da je fer nazivati nešto što ste izabrali da se prepustite bolesti kada postoje ljudi koji imaju bolest za koju NE MOGU da se odobre!

    To je izbor koji utiče na vaš mozak i telo i na taj način izaziva različite nivoe mentalnih bolesti! Što neki mogu videti kao bolest!


    zactli...lepo rečeno
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    You guys are all one big disease in my head!

    Svi ste vi jedna velika bolest u mojoj glavi!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Can a cheater change their wicked ways......thats a loaded question!

    I think there is alot of variables to consider. If you commit to someone and realize you made a wrong choice by marrying this person maybe it would cause a partner to stray.
    If you are truly happy then there is no excuse whats so ever to cheat!

    In either case i personally don't think anyone should cheat on their partner. But if it is a "serial cheater" then they will cheat for life no matter who they are with.

    I never could understand how a serial cheater could go home and look their spouse in the eye after just sleeping with someone else, especially if they are in love with their partner.

    Lips
    Može li varalica promeniti svoje zle načine......to je teško pitanje!

    Mislim da postoji mnogo varijabli koje treba razmotriti. Ako se posvetite nekome i shvatite da ste napravili pogrešan izbor venčanjem sa ovom osobom, možda bi to dovelo do toga da partner zaluta.
    Ako ste zaista srećni, onda nema izgovora za varanje!

    U oba slučaja, ja lično ne mislim da bi neko trebalo da vara svog partnera. Ali ako je to "serijski varalica" onda će varati doživotno bez obzira s kim su.

    Nikad nisam mogao da shvatim kako serijski varalica može otići kući i pogledati svog supružnika u oči nakon što je samo spavao sa nekim drugim, posebno ako je zaljubljen u svog partnera.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Psychology would answer this question with "probably."  A few cheaters can be reformed, MOST, however, will not.

    Psihologija bi na ovo pitanje odgovorila sa "verovatno". Nekoliko varalica se može reformisati, VEĆINA, međutim, neće.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    You guys are all one big disease in my head!
    he he heeeeee welcolme 2 my world jk

    Svi ste vi jedna velika bolest u mojoj glavi!
    he he heeeeee velcolme 2 mi vorld jk
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I am thinking of specific people in mind yes- myself not included.  But more than one, it's something I have noticed about more than a few people I know or are in my life.  I have to wonder if they are just behaving 'for now' because I know of their pasts.  Or maybe I am too judgemental and unwilling to believe that their behavior will last. 

    Everyone made good points.  If someone is unhappy in a current relationship, they can use cheating as an excuse for a way out. 

    Slots- you make a good point about both partners being willing.  I don't think it is fair for a partner who is bored to simply blame the other partner without at least trying something new, or talking to them. 

    Thanks for your opinions guys!

    Mislim na određene ljude na umu da - ja nisam uključen. Ali više od jednog, to je nešto što sam primetio kod više ljudi koje poznajem ili sam u svom životu. Moram da se zapitam da li se ponašaju samo 'za sada' jer znam za njihovu prošlost. Ili sam možda previše osuđujući i nespreman da verujem da će njihovo ponašanje trajati.

    Svi su napravili dobre poene. Ako je neko nesrećan u trenutnoj vezi, može da iskoristi prevaru kao izgovor za izlaz.

    Slotovi - dobro kažete da su oba partnera voljni. Mislim da nije fer da partner kome je dosadno jednostavno krivi drugog partnera, a da bar ne pokuša nešto novo, ili ne razgovara sa njim.

    Hvala na vašim mišljenjima momci!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well, been there done that, and really didn't feel like it was a choice..it is a disease to me, and it will always be. Unless you suffered from addiction you don't know the feeling I am talking about, I guess I can see why some people would feel that way though.


    :-*


    I know Mommy and I am not judging you I don't do that! And I respect you for talking about it and getting clean! I know it is a forever battle! Big ups to you!
    I do understand about addiction(not drugs) but I am addicted to gambling not severely, but none the less I am a gambling addict and I don't like it! Especially when I "abandon" my kids, husband, chores, friends... to spin especially when it is not even entertaining. Deposit after deposit(hit after hit) chasing...you know where I am going with it!

    Pa, uradio sam to, i stvarno nisam osećao da je to bio izbor..to je bolest za mene, i uvek će biti. Osim ako niste patili od zavisnosti, ne znate osećaj o kome govorim, pretpostavljam da vidim zašto bi se neki ljudi tako osećali.


    :-*


    Znam mamu i ne osuđujem te, ne radim to! I poštujem te što pričaš o tome i čistiš se! Znam da je to večna bitka! Veliki uspeh za vas!
    Razumem u zavisnost (ne drogu), ali sam zavisnik od kockanja ne jako, ali ipak sam zavisnik od kockanja i ne volim to! Pogotovo kada „ostavim“ svoju decu, muža, poslove, prijatelje... da se vrtim posebno kada to nije ni zabavno. Depozit za depozitom (pogodan za pogotkom) jurnjava...znate kuda idem sa tim!

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