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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ...is defined by Merrian Webster as: an outcome in which vice is punished and virtue rewarded usually in a manner peculiarly or ironically appropriate.

    Do any of you believe in it?

    ...je definisao Merrian Vebster kao: ishod u kome se porok kažnjava, a vrlina nagrađuje obično na način koji je posebno ili ironično prikladan.

    Da li neko od vas veruje u to?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    *Tomorrow it will be seven years since this story broke: February 23, 2004

    Convicted child sex abuser and defrocked Roman Catholic priest John Geoghan died Saturday after he was apparently strangled by a fellow inmate at a Massachusetts prison, according to local officials.

    *Sutra se navršava sedam godina od izbijanja ove priče: 23. februara 2004

    Osuđeni seksualni zlostavljač dece i rimokatolički sveštenik Džon Džogan preminuo je u subotu nakon što ga je očigledno zadavio jedan zatvorenik u zatvoru u Masačusetsu, saopštili su lokalni zvaničnici.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    yes, just like karma.  it's a nice little reward for not retaliating and just leaving fate to punish people in a personally satisfying way-by giving them their just deserts!  I don't think most people think of it in it's 'virtue rewarding' version, but more in the punishment way.

    Like the young man who killed himself after trying to get a litle help and having the judge send him to boot camp and juvie- the judge is now facing over 100 years in prison for making money off of his harsh sentencing. 

    da, baš kao karma. to je lepa mala nagrada što niste uzvratili i samo prepustili sudbini da kažnjava ljude na lično zadovoljavajući način - dajući im njihove pravedne dezerte! Mislim da većina ljudi o tome ne razmišlja u verziji za 'vrlinu nagrađivanja', već više na način kažnjavanja.

    Poput mladića koji se ubio nakon što je pokušao da dobije malu pomoć i nakon što ga je sudija poslao u logor za obuku i maloletnike - sudija se sada suočava sa preko 100 godina zatvora jer je zaradio novac na svojoj oštroj kazni.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I do believe in Poetic Justice. I think that life has a way biting you right back for the injustice served. I think it is a good philosophy to live by. It keeps us in check and sometimes we just may take the high ride because of it.

    Of course no one is perfect and we all mess up in our life and i don't think we pay the piper for every wrong thing we have done. If that was the case we would be spending most of our lives in the penalty box.

    Lips
    Ja verujem u poetsku pravdu. Mislim da život ima način da te ugrize za učinjenu nepravdu. Mislim da je to dobra filozofija po kojoj se živi. To nas drži pod kontrolom i ponekad zbog toga možemo samo da uzmemo veliku vožnju.

    Naravno, niko nije savršen i svi mi zabrljamo u životu i mislim da ne plaćamo dudu za svaku pogrešnu stvar koju smo uradili. Da je tako, većinu života proveli bismo u kaznenom prostoru.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Like the young man who killed himself after trying to get a litle help and having the judge send him to boot camp and juvie- the judge is now facing over 100 years in prison for making money off of his harsh sentencing. 



    I'm on the opposite side of the fence, in a way, regarding the whole judge thing.

    First:  I will say the judge broke the law and should be punished, without a doubt.

    That being said, what the heck is wrong with someone being sent to juvenile detention for breaking the law?!?  If any of these kids didn't break the law, there would be no chance of punishment.  Yes, I feel for the mother whose son committed suicide but whose fault is it?  Sorry to say, but the boy broke the law.  The punishment may have been harsh but had he been in Singapore... the punishment would have been 100 times more harsh.

    I am sick and tired of hearing 'It was only his/her first offense'.  Why is the US the only place that gives 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances for crimes?!?  Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Bonnie and Clyde, The Hillside Strangler...and on and on... all had first offenses.  Can you imagine what could have been prevented if there was a stiffer penalty on any of THOSE first offenses?

    Poput mladića koji se ubio nakon što je pokušao da dobije malu pomoć i nakon što ga je sudija poslao u logor za obuku i maloletnike - sudija se sada suočava sa preko 100 godina zatvora jer je zaradio novac na svojoj oštroj kazni.



    Ja sam na suprotnoj strani ograde, na neki način, što se tiče cele stvari sa sudijom.

    Prvo: reći ću da je sudija prekršio zakon i da ga treba kazniti, bez sumnje.

    S obzirom na to, šta je, do đavola, da je neko poslat u maloletnički pritvor zbog kršenja zakona?!? Da neko od ovih klinaca nije prekršio zakon, ne bi bilo šanse za kaznu. Da, saosećam sa majkom čiji je sin izvršio samoubistvo, ali čija je to krivica? Žao mi je što kažem, ali dečak je prekršio zakon. Kazna je možda bila oštra, ali da je bio u Singapuru... kazna bi bila 100 puta oštrija.

    Muka mi je i umorna sam od slušanja 'To je bio samo njegov/njen prvi prekršaj'. Zašto su SAD jedino mesto koje daje 1., 2., 3., 4. šansu za zločine?!? Džefri Damer, Ted Bundi, Boni i Klajd, Davitelj sa brda...i tako dalje... svi su imali prve prekršaje. Možete li zamisliti šta se moglo sprečiti da je za bilo koji OD TIH prvih prekršaja bila stroža kazna?
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I don't mind at all that the boy was punished.  What is stinking wrong about it is the judge got paid to make his judgement.  That is just wrong in so many ways, and against the laws and morals upon which our country was founded.  

    I, too, feel bad for the mom because she will always be wondering if the judge had NOT been compensated to sentence as he did, would her son have not killed himself.  She will never be able to get over the wondering what if.  That's sad and very wrong. 

    I wasn't defending the boy or his actions nor saying his punishment wasn't deserved.  But I have to wonder if this had been a just judge if the sentencing would have been different.  Maybe not.  Maybe he would have made the same decision.  That, I think the mom could have lived with.  But to find out the judge was paid?  It's sickening.

    Uopšte mi ne smeta što je dečak kažnjen. Ono što je smrdljivo u vezi s tim je da je sudija plaćen da donese svoju presudu. To je pogrešno na mnogo načina, i protivno zakonima i moralu na kojima je osnovana naša država.

    I meni je žao zbog mame jer će se ona uvek pitati da sudija NIJE dobio obeštećenje za kaznu kao on, da li se njen sin ne bi ubio. Nikada neće moći da preboli pitanje šta ako. To je tužno i veoma pogrešno.

    Nisam branio dečaka ili njegove postupke niti sam rekao da njegova kazna nije zaslužena. Ali moram da se zapitam da li je ovo bio pravedan sudija da bi kazna bila drugačija. Možda ne. Možda bi i on doneo istu odluku. Mislim da je mama mogla da živi sa tim. Ali da saznate da je sudija plaćen? To je bolesno.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well how about that guy & his mother who were going by The Aryan Nation Camp in Idaho. They assaulted them and when they lost the case, the family took over the camp and changed it to a peaceful place.

    Very ironic and poetic!

    Pa šta kažeš na onog tipa i njegovu majku koji su išli pored kampa Arijevske nacije u Ajdahu. Napali su ih i kada su izgubili slučaj, porodica je zauzela logor i promenila ga u mirno mesto.

    Veoma ironično i poetično!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    chilly,

    I hope my post didn't come across as disagreeing with you.  You mentioned the judge and I just gave my thoughts on it. smiley  Wasn't argueing or being rude.  smiley

    hladno,

    Nadam se da moj post nije izgledao kao da se ne slažem sa vama. Pomenuli ste sudiju i ja sam samo izneo svoje mišljenje o tome. smiley Nije se svađao ili bio nepristojan. smiley

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    thanks for clearing that up Gabby.  guess I was just in a "oh. Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood" moment and was trying to be sure I cleared up any questions on how I felt. 

    but in any case, even if you were arguing, it would have been okay because we all have our own opinions, and you were in no way rude.  I think we are all on the same page with that incident.  I gotta quit watching so much Nancy Grace, though!

    hvala što si to razjasnila Gabbi. Pretpostavljam da sam bio u trenutku „oh. Gospode, molim te, ne dozvoli da budem pogrešno shvaćen“ i pokušavao sam da budem siguran da sam razjasnio sva pitanja o tome kako se osećam.

    ali u svakom slučaju, čak i da ste se svađali, bilo bi u redu jer svi imamo svoje mišljenje, a vi nikako niste bili bezobrazni. Mislim da smo svi na istoj strani sa tim incidentom. Ali moram prestati da gledam toliko Nensi Grejs!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    thanks for clearing that up Gabby.  guess I was just in a "oh. Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood" moment and was trying to be sure I cleared up any questions on how I felt.  

    but in any case, even if you were arguing, it would have been okay because we all have our own opinions, and you were in no way rude.  I think we are all on the same page with that incident.  I gotta quit watching so much Nancy Grace, though!


    Thank You!  My post wasn't directed at you or your comments.  You just triggered a thought about the judge thing.

    I watch enough Nancy Grace too.  Usually agree with her but yesterday... I was almost yelling at her through the TV.  Don't know if you saw it, but she was covering the mom who murdered her 2 teens. Nancy was adamant the mom had nothing to 'not be happy' about since she didn't work and has a nice home.  Hmmmm, not every well do to person is of sane mind and happy.

    Anyway.. back on topic... sorry for straying. smiley

    hvala što si to razjasnila Gabbi. Pretpostavljam da sam bio u trenutku „oh. Gospode, molim te, ne dozvoli da budem pogrešno shvaćen“ i pokušavao sam da budem siguran da sam razjasnio sva pitanja o tome kako se osećam.

    ali u svakom slučaju, čak i da ste se svađali, bilo bi u redu jer svi imamo svoje mišljenje, a vi nikako niste bili bezobrazni. Mislim da smo svi na istoj strani sa tim incidentom. Ali moram prestati da gledam toliko Nensi Grejs!


    Hvala vam! Moj post nije bio usmeren na vas ili vaše komentare. Upravo si pokrenuo misao o sudiji.

    Gledam dovoljno i Nensi Grejs. Obično se slažem sa njom, ali juče... Skoro sam vikao na nju preko TV-a. Ne znam da li ste videli, ali ona je pokrivala mamu koja je ubila njena 2 tinejdžera. Nensi je bila nepokolebljiva da mama nema zbog čega da 'ne bude srećna' jer ne radi i ima lep dom. Hmmm, nije svako dobro čoveku zdravo i srećno.

    U svakom slučaju.. nazad na temu... izvinite što sam skrenuo. smiley
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I did see parts of that last night.  And to be on topic, I think it is sweet poetic justice that Nancy Grace has such a sweet set of twins, and that her health problems were not such problems as they could have been.

    Video sam delove toga sinoć. I da budem na temu, mislim da je slatka poetska pravda da Nensi Grejs ima tako slatke blizance, i da njeni zdravstveni problemi nisu bili toliki problemi kao što su mogli biti.

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