Seksualni činovi koji se vrše u učionici da bi se oslobodili vaših inhibicija??

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Hiya Members,

    Northwestern University in Chicago is a highly respected college. But they have come under a shroud of controversy for a Human Sexuality class. Professor Baily held a special after class presentation "Networking for Kinky People"

    In his class there was a live sex act performed between a man and a woman! Here is what the Professor had to say for offering such a class:

    "The demonstration, which included a woman who enjoyed providing a sexually explicit demonstration using a machine, surely counts as kinky, and hence, as relevant. Furthermore, earlier that day in my lecture I had talked about the attempts to silence sex research, and how this largely reflected sex negativity ... I did not wish, and I do not wish, to surrender to sex negativity and fear."

    Needless to say this has put many people up in arms over this. Most people said that sex is a private experience and this was a indecent class and nothing more than pornography. A small majority said that this class was optional and students should be allowed to make their own choices.

    Do you think that Professor Baily was unleashing inhibitions of students and this class was appropriate in surrendering the negativity and fear? Or is he a whack job that is using this as a tool for his kinky ways?

    Lips
    Zdravo članovi,

    Univerzitet Northvestern u Čikagu je veoma poštovan koledž. Ali oni su se našli pod velom kontroverzi za klasu ljudske seksualnosti. Profesor Baili je održao specijalnu prezentaciju nakon časa „Umrežavanje za čudne ljude“

    U njegovom razredu se odigrao seksualni čin uživo između muškarca i žene! Evo šta je profesor imao da kaže da je ponudio takav čas:

    „Demonstracija, koja je uključivala ženu koja je uživala u seksualno eksplicitnoj demonstraciji koristeći mašinu, sigurno se smatra čudnom, a samim tim i relevantnom. Štaviše, ranije tog dana u svom predavanju sam govorio o pokušajima da se ućutka istraživanje seksa, i kako je to u velikoj meri odražavalo seksualnu negativnost... Nisam želeo, i ne želim, da se prepustim seksualnoj negativnosti i strahu."

    Nepotrebno je reći da je ovo podstaklo mnoge ljude zbog ovoga. Većina ljudi je rekla da je seks privatno iskustvo i da je ovo bio nepristojan čas i ništa više od pornografije. Mala većina je rekla da je ovaj čas neobavezan i da učenicima treba dozvoliti da sami biraju.

    Mislite li da je profesor Baili oslobađao inhibicije učenika i da je ovaj čas bio prikladan u prepuštanju negativnosti i straha? Ili je on ludak koji ovo koristi kao alat za svoje čudne načine?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    You would be surprised at the offerings at some Universities in the name of education.  But, they've had these "sex" classes since the 1970's, so this is nothing new.  The teacher probably got a special grant from the US government to hold his lectures!

    Iznenadili biste se ponudama na nekim univerzitetima u ime obrazovanja. Ali, oni su imali te "seks" časove od 1970-ih, tako da ovo nije ništa novo. Nastavnik je verovatno dobio specijalnu stipendiju vlade SAD za održavanje svojih predavanja!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think that's appalling.  I think about Timothy Leary who advocated the use of amphetamines and barbiturates back in the 1960's.  Scary thing is he was a psychologist and hoardes of people followed him.  This is no different.

    Mislim da je to užasno. Mislim na Timotija Lirija koji je zagovarao upotrebu amfetamina i barbiturata još 1960-ih. Strašno je što je bio psiholog i gomile ljudi su ga pratile. Ovo nije drugačije.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    It's definitely out of the ordinary and I don't really know what to make of it. Did students know the "curriculum" when they enrolled in the course? If they did I'm sure they probably didn't intend to toss their inhibitions aside but instead wanted to watch a live show.

    "Networking for Kinky People"? Let's call it what it is, "Start Small, Break Into The Porn Industry in a Classroom".  laugh_out_loud

    Definitivno je neuobičajeno i ne znam šta da radim o tome. Da li su studenti znali „nastavni plan i program“ kada su upisali kurs? Ako jesu, siguran sam da verovatno nisu nameravali da odbace svoje inhibicije, već su umesto toga želeli da gledaju emisiju uživo.

    „Umrežavanje za čudne ljude“? Nazovimo to kako jeste, "Počnite s malim, probijte u porno industriju u učionici". laugh_out_loud

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    great topic, guess the mind doc, hasn't seen this thread yet. Ah, he's in A.C. anyway.  As long as the students we're aware of what was going to take place in the classroom, the prof. didn't do anything wrong.
    As stated, are individuals only advanceing their "kinkiness" , sure that applies to a few students. However, if there is a young couple, male or female, that believe they have a problem when it comes to sex, and if the class is taught properly, doesn't one want to believe they'll be able to over-come their issues, and have a happier sex life, down the road?  I'm day-dreaming a bit now, but what if a male and female meet, go out over a period of time, fall head over heels with each other, and when it comes to the bedroom one says, well I don't do that. The problems associated with that, well I'm not going to start. But could a healthy sex-ed class, as an adult, avoided that? Possibly!
    Myself growing up, being from the 60's-70's, we went to the bedroom first, tried that out for compatability, and then worked on the rest of the issues.
    I assume, and thats all it is, not having kids, that the bedroom thing, only got looser, as time went by. It sure does save a major headache, down the road, to have that issue, behind a couple. Yes, I've been down this road.
                                                Rico

    odlična tema, pretpostavljam da je doktor, još uvek nije video ovu temu. Ah, on je ionako u AC. Sve dok smo učenici svesni šta će se dešavati u učionici, prof. nije uradio ništa loše.
    Kao što je navedeno, da li pojedinci samo unapređuju svoju "kinkiness" , sigurno se to odnosi na nekoliko učenika. Međutim, ako postoji mlad par, muško ili žensko, koji veruje da ima problem kada je u pitanju seks, i ako se razred pravilno podučava, zar niko ne želi da veruje da će moći da prevaziđe svoj problema, i imati srećniji seksualni život, niz put? Sada malo sanjam, ali šta ako se muško i žensko sretnu, izađu na neko vreme, padnu jedno drugom do ušiju, a kada je u pitanju spavaća soba, neko kaže, pa ja ne uradi to. Problemi u vezi sa tim, pa neću da počinjem. Ali da li bi zdrav čas za seks, kao odrasla osoba, to mogao da izbegne? Moguće!
    Dok sam odrastao, iz 60-ih-70-ih, prvo smo otišli u spavaću sobu, isprobali to radi kompatibilnosti, a zatim smo radili na ostalim pitanjima.
    Pretpostavljam, i to je sve, što nema dece, da je stvar u spavaćoj sobi postala labavija, kako je vreme prolazilo. To sigurno štedi veliku glavobolju, u budućnosti, imati taj problem, iza para. Da, bio sam ovim putem.
    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    "academic freedom"  -  not much is taboo in a lot of colleges as to curriculum.  I took a class taught by the French department, even though I didn't speak any french, it was a senior level course that needed another warm body to make the class.  We read "The Story of O" among other things.  All kinds of pornographic French novels.  That was the first time I heard about all kinds of stuff, from b*tt plugs to wiping your b*tt with a goose (they had no toilet paper back in the day...)  It was "Sex and Violence in French Literature"... we also had to read "The One Hundred and Twenty Days of Sodom and Other Writings" where I got another eye-full.  But, alas, no live demonstations, only discussions.

    "akademska sloboda" - nije mnogo tabu na mnogim koledžima u pogledu nastavnog plana i programa. Pohađao sam čas na odseku za francuski, iako nisam govorio francuski, bio je to kurs za viši nivo kojem je bilo potrebno još jedno toplo telo da bi održao čas. Čitamo između ostalog „Priču o O”. Sve vrste francuskih pornografskih romana. To je bio prvi put da sam čuo za sve vrste stvari, od čepova do brisanja guske (onda nisu imali toalet papir...) Bilo je to „Seks i nasilje u francuskoj književnosti „... morali smo da pročitamo i „Sto dvadeset dana Sodome i drugih spisa“ gde sam još jednom bio pun očiju. Ali, avaj, nema živih demonstracija, samo diskusije.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I guess the real question here is if this professor was really being on the up and up is are we too sexually negative and fearful.

    That is a loaded question and food for thought. But are we really being negative to keep our intimacy private? I once had a lengthy debate about this topic. We live in a world that dates way back that intimacy is a very private thing. But if it is a natural act and desire then why is it taboo in most circles to even discuss.

    I am just playing devils advocate here and i for one am very private. But could this professor be on to something here and try to break the negative connotations that sex often has?

    Lips
    Pretpostavljam da je pravo pitanje da li je ovaj profesor zaista bio u usponu, da li smo previše seksualno negativni i uplašeni.

    To je opterećeno pitanje i hrana za razmišljanje. Ali da li smo zaista negativni da svoju intimnost zadržimo privatno? Jednom sam imao dugu debatu o ovoj temi. Živimo u svetu koji datira da je intimnost veoma privatna stvar. Ali ako je to prirodan čin i želja zašto je onda tabu u većini krugova da se uopšte raspravlja.

    Ja se ovde samo igram advokata đavola i ja sam vrlo privatna. Ali da li ovaj profesor može da smisli nešto i da pokuša da razbije negativne konotacije koje seks često ima?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well, we do seem to be the only animals who have so many inhibitions in the sexual arena.

    I found out from Manswers on Spike tv that chimpanzees have prostitution!  Instead of 1 1/2 times per hour of having sex, if the male offers food to the female, she'll put out 3 1/2 times an hour.  didn't learn that one in college. 

    Pa, izgleda da smo jedine životinje koje imaju toliko inhibicija u seksualnoj areni.

    Saznao sam iz Mansvers na Spike tv-u da se šimpanze bave prostitucijom! Umesto seksa 1 1/2 puta na sat, ako mužjak ponudi hranu ženki, ona će izbaciti 3 1/2 puta na sat. to nisam naučio na koledžu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Now that is what i call stamina!! Never knew chimpanzees were such a wild bunch!
    To je ono što ja zovem izdržljivost!! Nikad nisam znao da su šimpanze tako divlja gomila!
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Isn't this interesting. Lips, Chilly if I'm hearing you right, you believe sex is still in the closet, is that true? Since the 60's n 70's, I believe it's come way out of the closet, as in brakeing down the closet door!
    Agreed before that time, I would say yes, it was a difficult topic to discuss, anywhere, be it with your priest, or even a close friend. Now, well maybe you two don't get out that much, ( I'm jokeing) but sex is quite a public topic, and has been for awhile,. Look at  TV. Ricky an Lucy use to have to sleep in seperate twin beds. Now two strangers lock up in a bedroom, and theres no imagination left, cause you see what's going on. Anyway, just my opinion, right. Be good you two,, I know I'm trying.
                                                           Rico

    Zar ovo nije interesantno. Lips, Chilli, ako te dobro čujem, veruješ da je seks još uvek u ormanu, je li to istina? Od 60-ih i 70-ih, verujem da je izašlo iz ormana, kao prilikom razbijanja vrata ormana!
    Dogovoreno pre tog vremena, rekao bih da, to je bila teška tema za razgovor, bilo gde, bilo sa vašim sveštenikom, ili čak bliskim prijateljem. Pa, možda vas dvoje ne izlazite toliko, (šalim se), ali seks je prilično javna tema, i postoji već neko vreme. Pogledaj TV. Riki i Lusi imaju običaj da spavaju u odvojenim bračnim krevetima. Sada se dva stranca zaključavaju u spavaćoj sobi i nema više mašte, jer vidite šta se dešava. U svakom slučaju, samo moje mišljenje, tačno. Budite dobri vas dvoje, znam da se trudim.
    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Hi Rico,

    Agreed we have come a long way since the dawn of the age of Aquarius. But what i'm talking about is what this professor did in his class room with live sex. We may have come far as a society but for most we are not quite ready for this.

    And in many ways it proves this professor's theory that sex is considered negative and fearful. Everyones first reaction to this was it is PORN! It is nasty, dirty and filthy!

    It is one of two things here either this professor is on to something or somewhere a line has to be drawn when it comes to this type of open display.

    Lips
    Zdravo Riko,

    Slažemo se da smo prešli dug put od zore doba Vodolije. Ali ono o čemu govorim je ono što je ovaj profesor radio u svojoj učionici uz seks uživo. Možda smo kao društvo stigli daleko, ali za većinu nismo sasvim spremni za ovo.

    I na mnogo načina to dokazuje teoriju ovog profesora da se seks smatra negativnim i zastrašujućim. Prva reakcija svih na ovo je bila da je to PORNO! Gadno je, prljavo i prljavo!

    Ovde je jedna od dve stvari ili je ovaj profesor na nečemu ili negde mora da se podvuče crta kada je u pitanju ova vrsta otvorenog prikaza.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    OK, let's back up to your first post, and my first reply. I'm sticking by my first reply, for now, lol. So let's pick your post apart, a bit. I havn't had a chance to view this prof. Baily. ( wonder if he might be on YOUTUBE?)  Anyway, we might be able to get an idea, if he is a wack job, by listening to him. See how he presents himself. You know clean cut, suit an tie, vs. long haired, jeans, has a joint hangin out of the side of his mouth.
    You  stated, this was an after class presentation, with a name, 'Networking for kinky people". Also stated, is his desire to remove fear and negativity towards peoples way of thinking, in regards to sex. to continue, the class had a man an woman having sex, and a women useing a machine. Which the professor claims is kinky. Myself, I don't. A machine (sex machine) is only an upscale model of a vibrator, which are all over the place. nothing unusual there. The same with the act of sex itself, nothing unusual there, everyone appeared to consent.
    After reading it again, a time or two, the professor might have taken a couple of steps backward. Anyway, finishing, everyone was an adult, it's college, they we're told what was going to happen, I would enjoy being able to view prof. Baily somehow, like an interview, or small lecture. Get a better idea, of where he is coming from.
                                                Rico

    OK, vratimo se na tvoj prvi post i moj prvi odgovor. Ostajem pri svom prvom odgovoru, za sada, lol. Pa hajde da malo razdvojimo tvoj post. Nisam imao priliku da vidim ovog prof. Baili. (pitam se da li je možda na IOUTUBE-u?) U svakom slučaju, možda bismo mogli da dobijemo ideju, da li je on ludak, slušajući ga. Pogledajte kako se predstavlja. Znaš čist kroj, odelo sa kravatom, nasuprot dugokosi, farmerke, ima zglob koji visi sa strane usta.
    Rekli ste da je ovo bila prezentacija nakon časa, pod nazivom 'Umrežavanje za čudne ljude'. Takođe je naveo da je njegova želja da ukloni strah i negativnost prema načinu razmišljanja ljudi, u vezi sa seksom. da nastavi, čas je imao muškarac, žena koja ima seks, a žena koja koristi mašinu. Za šta profesor tvrdi da je čudno. Ja ne. Mašina (seksualna mašina) je samo vrhunski model vibratora koji ima svuda. ništa. Ništa. Neuobičajeno tamo.Isto i sa samim seksom, tu ništa neuobičajeno, izgledalo je da su svi pristali.
    Nakon što je ponovo pročitao, put ili dva, profesor je možda napravio nekoliko koraka unazad. U svakom slučaju, završili, svi su bili odrasli, to je fakultet, oni su nam rekli šta će se desiti, uživao bih da vidim prof. Baili nekako, kao intervju, ili malo predavanje. Dobijte bolju predstavu o tome odakle dolazi.
    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I soooo enjoy your open minded debate ethics rico!! Bravo to you and i will see if can find some more info on this dude!

    But see you opened a whole new can of worms here. You are suggesting if he wears jeans and has long hair then we can't trust his integrity. Thats a whole new debate!!

    p.s and if he does have a joint hanging out of his mouth who is to say he doesn't have glaucoma  wink

    Lips
    Baš uživam u tvojoj otvorenoj debatnoj etici Rico!! Bravo za tebe i videću da li mogu da nađem još informacija o ovom tipu!

    Ali vidite da ste ovde otvorili potpuno novu konzervu crva. Sugerišete da ako nosi farmerke i ima dugu kosu onda ne možemo verovati njegovom integritetu. To je potpuno nova debata!!

    ps i ako ima zglob koji mu visi iz usta ko će reći da nema glaukom wink

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    lololol, true, you know what I'm getting at though. Your good, Rico

    lololol, istina, znaš na šta ciljam. Dobro si, Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Here he is...............




    And here is what he had to say in the aftermath.........

    J. Michael Bailey, the Northwestern University professor at the center of recent controversy over a live sex act in his classroom, apologized Saturday for allowing the demonstration to occur.

    “I apologize,” he writes. “As I have noted elsewhere, the demonstration was unplanned and occurred because I made a quick decision to allow it. I should not have done so.”

    He said he was surprised by the public outcry over the after-class incident in the Ryan Family Auditorium, where a man used a high-powered sex toy on his girlfriend in front of 100 students.

    “During a time of financial crisis, war, and global warming, this story has been a top news story for more than two days,” Bailey wrote in his statement. “That this is so reveals a stark difference of opinion between people like me, who see absolutely no harm in what happened, and those who believe that it was profoundly wrong.”

    His statement comes two days after Northwestern’s president, Morton Schapiro, said he was launching an investigation into the after-class live sex demo, saying he was disturbed, troubled and disappointed. Many alumni and parents have also let the university know they were unhappy about the act.

    Bailey said that while he regretted allowing the Feb. 21 sex toy demonstration he also does not believe those who were offended made a good case for why the act should not have been allowed.

    “Those who believe that there was, in fact, a serious problem have had considerable opportunity to explain why: in the numerous media stories on the controversy, or in their various correspondences with me,” the statement reads. “But they have failed to do so. Saying that the demonstration ‘crossed the line,’ went too far,’ ‘was inappropriate,’ or ‘was troubling’ convey disapproval but do not illuminate reasoning.”

    He adds that if he was grading the arguments against allowing a man to use a custom high-powered sex toy to bring his naked girlfriend to orgasm before 100 students, “most would earn an ‘F.’”

    “Offense and anger are not arguments,” he wrote. “But I remain open to hearing and reading good arguments.”

    Nearly 600 students registered for Bailey’s popular “Human Sexuality” course this quarter. About 100 attended the after-class, optional, non-graded seminar on kink and fetish. Four members of Chicago’s fetish community spoke about their lifestyle and two, Jim Marcus and Faith Kroll, volunteered to prove the veracity of some controversial elements of female orgasm. Bailey hesitated, than agreed, and Kroll stripped down on stage and allowed Marcus to penetrate her with the custom made power saw with a phallus in place of a blade.

    Bailey described student feedback as positive, and many students on campus also said they didn’t think the display was in poor taste.

    Bailey said in Saturday’s statement that he is working with undergraduate students to set up a “high-level discussion and debate” about the demonstration.

    “There are real, important issues here, including optimal limits on academic freedom, the effect of sexual attitudes on education, and sexual rights and responsibilities, among others,” he wrote. “A great university, such as Northwestern University, should be a place where people are not only free, but encouraged, to debate our most contentious issues.”

    Courtesy of the Chicago Sun-Times

    So do you believe his intentions are way ahead of what society is ready for or is he a whack job?
    Ovde je...............




    A evo šta je posle toga imao da kaže........

    J. Michael Bailei, profesor Univerziteta Northvestern u središtu nedavne kontroverze oko seksualnog čina uživo u svojoj učionici, izvinio se u subotu što je dozvolio održavanje demonstracija.

    „Izvinjavam se“, piše on. „Kao što sam na drugim mestima primetio, demonstracije su bile neplanirane i dogodile su se jer sam brzo doneo odluku da to dozvolim. Nisam trebao to da uradim.”

    On je rekao da je iznenađen negodovanjem javnosti zbog incidenta posle nastave u sali porodice Rajan, gde je muškarac upotrebio moćnu seks igračku na svojoj devojci pred 100 učenika.

    „U vreme finansijske krize, rata i globalnog zagrevanja, ova priča je bila glavna vest više od dva dana“, napisao je Bejli u svojoj izjavi. „To što je to tako otkriva veliku razliku u mišljenju između ljudi poput mene, koji ne vide apsolutno nikakvu štetu u onome što se dogodilo, i onih koji veruju da je to bilo duboko pogrešno.

    Njegova izjava dolazi dva dana nakon što je predsednik Northvesterna Morton Šapiro rekao da pokreće istragu o demo seksu uživo posle nastave, rekavši da je uznemiren, uznemiren i razočaran. Mnogi bivši studenti i roditelji su takođe dali do znanja univerzitetu da su nezadovoljni tim činom.

    Bejli je rekao da, iako žali što je dozvolio demonstraciju seksualnih igračaka 21. februara, takođe ne veruje da su oni koji su bili uvređeni dali dobar argument zašto taj čin nije trebalo dozvoliti.

    „Oni koji veruju da je, u stvari, postojao ozbiljan problem, imali su popriličnu priliku da objasne zašto: u brojnim medijskim pričama o kontroverzi, ili u raznim prepiskama sa mnom“, navodi se u saopštenju. „Ali oni to nisu uspeli da urade. Reči da su demonstracije „prešle granicu“, otišle predaleko, „bile neprikladne“ ili „bile zabrinjavajuće“ izražavaju neodobravanje, ali ne rasvetljavaju obrazloženje.“

    Dodaje da ako je ocjenjivao argumente protiv dopuštanja muškarcu da koristi prilagođenu moćnu seks igračku kako bi svoju golu djevojku doveo do orgazma prije 100 učenika, „većina bi zaradila 'F'.

    „Uvreda i bes nisu argumenti“, napisao je on. "Ali ostajem otvoren za slušanje i čitanje dobrih argumenata."

    Skoro 600 studenata se registrovalo za Bejlijev popularni kurs „Ljudska seksualnost” ovog tromesečja. Oko 100 je prisustvovalo naknadnom, fakultativnom seminaru bez ocene o kinkovima i fetišu. Četiri člana fetiš zajednice u Čikagu govorili su o svom načinu života, a dvoje, Džim Markus i Fejt Krol, dobrovoljno su se prijavili da dokažu istinitost nekih kontroverznih elemenata ženskog orgazma. Bejli je oklevala, a zatim pristala, a Krol se skinuo na sceni i dozvolio Markusu da prodre u nju sa ručno napravljenom motornom testerom sa falusom umesto oštrice.

    Bejli je opisao povratne informacije studenata kao pozitivne, a mnogi studenti u kampusu su takođe rekli da ne misle da je ekran lošeg ukusa.

    Bejli je u subotnjoj izjavi rekao da radi sa studentima osnovnih studija na uspostavljanju „diskusije i debate na visokom nivou“ o demonstracijama.

    „Ovde postoje stvarna, važna pitanja, uključujući optimalna ograničenja akademske slobode, efekat seksualnih stavova na obrazovanje i seksualna prava i odgovornosti, između ostalog“, napisao je. „Odličan univerzitet, kao što je Univerzitet Northvestern, trebalo bi da bude mesto gde su ljudi ne samo slobodni, već i ohrabreni da raspravljaju o našim najspornijim pitanjima.

    Ljubaznošću Chicago Sun-Timesa

    Dakle, da li verujete da su njegove namere daleko ispred onoga na šta je društvo spremno ili je on pravi posao?
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think sex is still in the closet for a large population of the country.  Another large population of the country is quite uninhibited.  And no, I don't get out much.  Hardly at all.  Out in the country with no car and an absent spouse.  But, rico, I was a flower child, and born in 1957 so the sixties and seventies had a big impact, and well, I did take that Sex and Violence in French Literature class.  I don't think what the good professor did was wrong, but if he isn't tenured, he may have some worrying to do.  Mommy and Daddy, paying for their kids to go to Northwestern, may not be so open minded about their little Buffy and Chippy being so exposed to sex acts in their class, after school or not.

    Mislim da je seks još uvek u ormanu za veliku populaciju zemlje. Još jedna velika populacija zemlje je prilično nesputana. I ne, ne izlazim mnogo. Jedva uopšte. Na selu bez automobila i odsutnog supružnika. Ali, Riko, ja sam bio dete cveća, i rođen 1957. godine, tako da su šezdesete i sedamdesete imale veliki uticaj, i dobro, slušao sam taj čas Seks i nasilje na francuskoj književnosti. Ne mislim da je bilo pogrešno ono što je dobar profesor uradio, ali ako nije u funkciji, možda će morati da brine. Mama i tata, koji plaćaju svoju decu da idu u Northvestern, možda nisu toliko otvoreni prema tome da su njihovi mali Bafi i Čipi toliko izloženi seksualnim odnosima u razredu, posle škole ili ne.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Lips, tell me if you read what I'm reading. I hear student approval, and some parental objections. (100% student approval). He is neat in appearance, he's responding properly to some of the criticisum.
    Is he a whack job, no. Has he crossed new boundries, sure. Remembering us humans, ( not EVEN likeing the word change, as we advance in years) will balk at anything usually, out of the norm, and I hate useing that word.
    I say, right on, keep up the good work.

                                              Rico
    ps, whats your feeling lips?

    Usne, reci mi da li čitaš ono što čitam. Čujem odobravanje učenika, i neke primedbe roditelja. (100% odobrenje studenata). Uredno je izgleda, na neke kritike odgovara kako treba.
    Je li on pravi posao, ne. Da li je prešao nove granice, naravno. Sećanje na nas ljude, (ČAK i ne voleti reč promena, kako napredujemo u godinama) obično će se odbiti od bilo čega, van norme, a mrzim da koristim tu reč.
    Kažem, nastavite sa dobrim radom.

    Rico
    ps, šta osećaš na usnama?

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    Well so much for the jeans,long hair and the dobie hanging out of the side of his mouth...lol!!! What's even funnier..the "custom made power saw with a phallus in place of a blade" now that I probably would have paid to see...lmao!!

    Pa toliko o farmerkama, dugoj kosi i dobiju koji mu visi sa strane... lol!!! Što je još smješnije.."električna testera napravljena po meri sa falusom umesto sečiva" sada kada bih verovatno platio da vidim...lmao!!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    vroooom vroooom!

    ura ura!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    lol ...chilly..I'll never think of power tools the same way!!


    vroooom vroooom!

    lol ...hladno..nikada neću razmišljati o električnim alatima na isti način!!


    vroooom vroooom!
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    u 2, chilly i'm born n jan. 57.We're damn near members of the over the hill gang, wow
    \

    u 2, chilli Ja sam rođen n jan. 57. Prokleto smo blizu članova bande preko brda, vau
    \

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    mine's Nov '57.  57 was a good model year... laugh_out_loud... Last of the hippies, born too late to fully enjoy the summer of love or get to go to Woodstock, unless we were really lucky. 

    I'd trust that professor more if he were a long haired hippie with a big doobie hangin' outta his mouth.  This one looks like the MAN.

    moj je novembar '57. 57 je bila dobra modelska godina... laugh_out_loud ... Poslednji hipi, rođeni prekasno da bi u potpunosti uživali u letu ljubavi ili da bi otišli na Vudstok, osim ako baš nismo imali sreće.

    Više bih verovao tom profesoru da je dugokosi hipi sa velikim psom koji mu visi iz usta. Ovaj liči na ČOVEKA.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    lol, U know, at that time, I never got into the,( Peace, Luv, n spare change) thing. Don't know if I thought I was above it or over it. Hell I was born n raised n San Bruno, CA, 20 miles from San Francisco, where it all started. Haight n Ashbury streets. Now thats not to say I didn't dable a bit. But the hippies we're just bums. I didn't want that

    lol, znaš, u to vreme, nikad nisam ulazio u, (Peace, Luv, n rezervni kusur) stvar. Ne znam da li sam mislio da sam iznad toga ili iznad toga. Pakao, rođen sam i odrastao u San Brunu, Kalifornija, 20 milja od San Franciska, gde je sve počelo. Ulice Haight n Ashburi. To ne znači da se nisam malo bavio. Ali hipiji smo samo klošari. Nisam to želeo

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Forget the college credit.  Just put out some cheap neon lights, etc....and I'll pay a black chip to watch!

    Zaboravite kredit na fakultetu. Samo ugasite neka jeftina neonska svetla, itd....a ja ću platiti crni čip za gledanje!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ah ha, theres the mind doc! So your just investing one sentence into this topic?  Now I know darn well, if you wanted to, you could open this thread up, like a kid on christmas day, opening up his or hers presents.
    That being said, maybe things didn't go to good, in A.C.
    I for one, would be very interested, in your observations on this thread!
                                                Rico

    ps hope things did go OK in A.C.

    ah ha, tu je um dok! Dakle, samo ulažete jednu rečenicu u ovu temu? Sada znam prokleto dobro, ako želite, mogli biste da otvorite ovu temu, kao dete na Božić, otvarajući svoje poklone.
    S obzirom na to, možda stvari u AC nisu išle kako treba
    Ja bih, na primer, bio veoma zainteresovan za vaša zapažanja na ovoj temi!
    Rico

    ps nadam se da su stvari išle u redu u AC

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Heads up guys.  Don't think it doesn't matter nowadays whom you associate with or where you go to college if you're building a career.  Someone could have a YouTube of you enjoying that activity in that school and post it on the internet.  What kind of credibility will that college have if they let this continue?  All the professors there will be affected.  How do you think this affects the morale of the students?  (Mind you these students may be armed if a fight breaks out).

    Glavu gore momci. Nemojte misliti da danas nije važno sa kim se družite ili gde idete na koledž ako gradite karijeru. Neko bi mogao da ima Jutjub na kome uživate u toj aktivnosti u toj školi i da to objavi na internetu. Kakav će kredibilitet imati taj koledž ako puste da se ovo nastavi? Svi tamošnji profesori će biti pogođeni. Šta mislite kako to utiče na moral učenika? (Imajte na umu da ovi učenici mogu biti naoružani ako izbije tuča).

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Lips, tell me if you read what I'm reading. I hear student approval, and some parental objections. (100% student approval). He is neat in appearance, he's responding properly to some of the criticisum.
    Is he a whack job, no. Has he crossed new boundries, sure. Remembering us humans, ( not EVEN likeing the word change, as we advance in years) will balk at anything usually, out of the norm, and I hate useing that word.
    I say, right on, keep up the good work.

                                              Rico
    ps, whats your feeling lips?


    Well that is very liberal of you rico, but i am not sure that public displays of sex is necessarily the way to go when trying to shake fears and neg perspectives.

    Let's push the envelope a bit further and let me ask this........

    If you or anyone see nothing wrong with this public display, how would you feel if you find out it was someone that you knew up on that stage? Say in theory you had a sister who was single, would you still be open enough to say "keep up the good work" to the professor?

    Usne, reci mi da li čitaš ono što čitam. Čujem odobravanje učenika, i neke primedbe roditelja. (100% odobrenje studenata). Uredno je izgleda, na neke kritike odgovara kako treba.
    Je li on pravi posao, ne. Da li je prešao nove granice, naravno. Sećanje na nas ljude, (ČAK I ne voleti reč promena, kako napredujemo u godinama) obično će se odbiti od bilo čega, van norme, i mrzim da koristim tu reč.
    Kažem, nastavite sa dobrim radom.

    Rico
    ps, šta osećaš na usnama?


    Pa, to je vrlo liberalno od tebe, Riko, ali nisam siguran da je javno prikazivanje seksa nužno način na koji treba ići kada pokušavaš da uzdrmaš strahove i zanemariš perspektive.

    Hajde da malo pomerimo koverat i da pitam ovo........

    Ako vi ili bilo ko ne vidite ništa loše u ovom javnom izlaganju, kako biste se osećali kada biste saznali da je to neko koga ste poznavali na toj sceni? Recimo u teoriji da ste imali sestru koja je bila slobodna, da li biste i dalje bili dovoljno otvoreni da kažete profesoru „nastavi tako dobro“?
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Heads up guys.  Don't think it doesn't matter nowadays whom you associate with or where you go to college if you're building a career.  Someone could have a YouTube of you enjoying that activity in that school and post it on the internet.  What kind of credibility will that college have if they let this continue?  All the professors there will be affected.  How do you think this affects the morale of the students?  (Mind you these students may be armed if a fight breaks out).


    Good question but not only the moral aspect. Would it instill in the minds of students that open sex is ok and would it create having more partners and less committed relationships? Or maybe a student did attend this class and goes home and tell his gf or wife that he wants to have sex out in the open because the professor basically says its ok. Would it cause pressure on a partner to do something may not want to.

    What i am really curious to know is how genuine was the mindset of these students who went. Was it truly for educational purposes? Hmmmm why do i think not!

    Glavu gore momci. Nemojte misliti da danas nije važno s kim se družite ili gde idete na koledž ako gradite karijeru. Neko bi mogao da ima Jutjub na kome uživate u toj aktivnosti u toj školi i da to objavi na internetu. Kakav će kredibilitet imati taj koledž ako puste da se ovo nastavi? Svi tamošnji profesori će biti pogođeni. Šta mislite kako to utiče na moral učenika? (Imajte na umu da ovi učenici mogu biti naoružani ako izbije tuča).


    Dobro pitanje, ali ne samo moralni aspekt. Da li bi to usadilo u umove studenata da je otvoreni seks u redu i da li bi to stvorilo više partnera i manje posvećene veze? Ili je možda student pohađao ovaj čas i ode kući i kaže svojoj devojci ili ženi da želi da ima seks na otvorenom jer profesor kaže da je u redu. Da li bi to izazvalo pritisak na partnera da uradi nešto što možda ne želi.

    Ono što me zaista zanima jeste koliko je bio iskren način razmišljanja ovih studenata koji su otišli. Da li je to zaista bilo u obrazovne svrhe? Hmmmm zašto mislim da ne!
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Most likely was curiosity on most students' parts.  And afterwards, who among them would admit it bothered them, unless they were deeply scarred, in which case hopefully they left as soon as the machine was fired up?

    It's not like they were doing research and trying to discover the reactions of the human body to the stimulus.  Researchers do a lot of strange things, like put a couple in an MRI machine and let them have sex in order to see the physiological changes in the body and the brain.  Quite enlightening, and all in the name of education. 

    Now, I got to see this on TV.  Very intimate images of their love-making, but from the MRI.  You could still see *it* inside of *that*, etc...  You want to see it also?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVAdCKaU3vY

    Najverovatnije je bila radoznalost većine učenika. I posle, ko bi od njih priznao da im je to smetalo, osim ako nisu imali duboke ožiljke, u kom slučaju su, nadamo se, otišli čim se mašina upalila?

    Nije da su radili istraživanje i pokušavali da otkriju reakcije ljudskog tela na stimulus. Istraživači rade mnogo čudnih stvari, kao što je par u aparat za magnetnu rezonancu i pustiti ih da imaju seks kako bi videli fiziološke promene u telu i mozgu. Sasvim prosvetljujuće, a sve u ime obrazovanja.

    Sada moram da vidim ovo na TV-u. Veoma intimne slike njihovog vođenja ljubavi, ali sa magnetne rezonance. Još uvek možete da vidite *to* unutar *onog*, itd... Želite li i to da vidite? http://vvv.ioutube.com/vatch?v=OVAdCKaU3vI

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Exactly chilly this was not for the purpose of research and bear in mind on motives of this class "to let go of fear and negativity about sex". So what did the professor hope to accomplish and what message did this send to the students? Have wide open displays of sex to prove your not negative or fearful?

    Certain things i think are best left behind closed doors. Before you know it they will have a class displaying bathroom duties openly because it is a natural bodily function.

    Lips
    Baš hladno, ovo nije bilo za potrebe istraživanja i imajte na umu motive ove klase „da se oslobodimo straha i negativnosti o seksu“. Dakle, šta se profesor nadao da će postići i kakvu je poruku ovo poslalo studentima? Imate široko otvorene prikaze seksa da biste dokazali da niste negativni ili uplašeni?

    Mislim da je neke stvari najbolje ostaviti iza zatvorenih vrata. Pre nego što shvatite, imaće čas koji će otvoreno pokazati obaveze u kupatilu jer je to prirodna telesna funkcija.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    rico....I just don't have much to say on this topic.  The class sounds more like a high dollar peepshow than a college course.

    rico.... jednostavno nemam mnogo da kažem na ovu temu. Čas više zvuči kao peepshov sa visokim dolarima nego kao kurs na koledžu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Good morning Lips, OK, gotta back up here just a bit. Thank you for posting the prof. response. Your useing words as public, out in the open. I didn't interprit this as such. He wasn't holding class in a community building, for example, no he was on campuss. As for my sister, that would be up to her. I'd probably walk out of the classroom, because she's 100 lbs. overweight. You know, nothing worth watching, even if she is enjoying herself!
    Also in the prof. response, this wasn't a planned event. The two students involved, evidently voluntered for this after-class presentation. Totally different set of circumstances, than a planned class presentation. Let's not forget at this presentation, attendance was not mandatory.
    In the aftermath, the prof. does apologise, saying that he did cross the line, but people that are let's say roughing him up verbably, are not produceing the proper response for why this presentation shouldn't have occured.
    To me, it was still all volunteer. Nobody forced to sit through something that might be offensive to them. Everyone is an adult. I'm sticking by my first response.
                                          Rico

    Dobro jutro, Lips, OK, moram da se vratim ovde samo malo. Hvala vam što ste objavili prof. odgovor. Koristite reči kao javne, na otvorenom. Nisam ovo tako protumačio. Na primer, nije držao čas u zgradi zajednice, ne, bio je u kampusu. Što se tiče moje sestre, to bi zavisilo od nje. Verovatno bih izašao iz učionice, jer ona ima 100 funti. prekomerna težina. Znate, ništa vredno gledanja, čak i ako uživa!
    Takođe u prof. odgovor, ovo nije bio planirani događaj. Dvojica uključenih učenika, očigledno su se dobrovoljno prijavili za ovu prezentaciju posle časa. Potpuno drugačiji splet okolnosti od planirane prezentacije u razredu. Ne zaboravimo na ovoj prezentaciji, prisustvo nije bilo obavezno.
    U nastavku je prof. izvinjava se, rekavši da jeste prešao granicu, ali ljudi koji ga, recimo, verbalno ogorčavaju, ne daju odgovarajući odgovor zašto do ove prezentacije nije trebalo da dođe.
    Za mene je i dalje sve bilo dobrovoljno. Niko nije prisiljen da sedi o nečemu što bi moglo biti uvredljivo za njih. Svi su odrasli. Ostajem pri svom prvom odgovoru.
    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Fair enough rico thanks for the thought provoking response. But to clarify sis over weight or not i know you wouldn't want to watch it!!

    I guess the bottom line is i am not too sure how effective this class would be as far as the professors reasoning. Seems to have caused just the opposite effect with an out pour of negativity.

    As for me some things are just meant to stay private. I think probably men are more inclined to not mind as a much as a female would.

    Lips
    Pošteno, Rico hvala na odgovoru koji izaziva razmišljanje. Ali da razjasnim sestru preko težine ili ne, znam da ne biste želeli da to gledate!!

    Pretpostavljam da je suština u tome da nisam previše siguran koliko bi ovaj čas bio efikasan što se tiče rezonovanja profesora. Čini se da je izazvao upravo suprotan efekat sa izlivom negativnosti.

    Što se mene tiče, neke stvari su samo treba da ostanu privatne. Mislim da su muškarci verovatno skloniji da im ne smeta onoliko koliko bi žena.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    right on lips, it's ok to dissagree, in a professional way. We both get a thumbs up.
                                   NEXT  DEBATE,
                                       Rico

    pravo na usne, u redu je da se ne slažem, na profesionalan način. Obojica imamo palac gore.
    SLEDEĆA DEBATA,
    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ricorizzo, I'm sure your sis would walk out also if it were you up there.  we could debate that, but I'm just jokin' around.  that was pretty insensitive of ya, though...on the other hand. 

    I coulda started another debate here, similar to another I accidentally started, but I'm keeping all of y'all safe and minding my own business.  And trying hard not to post anything else right now as this one is close enough to a feud already!

    Ricorizzo, siguran sam da bi i tvoja sestra otišla da si ti tamo gore. mogli bismo da raspravljamo o tome, ali ja se samo šalim. to je bilo prilično neosetljivo od tebe, ali... s druge strane.

    Mogao bih da pokrenem još jednu debatu ovde, sličnu onoj koju sam slučajno započeo, ali sve vas čuvam i gledam svoja posla. I trudim se da trenutno ne objavim ništa drugo jer je ovo već dovoljno blizu svađe!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    chilly, be my guest hun, I'm serious. As far as my sis n I are concerned, we we're never close anyway. Now, If I had a real good sis, and she willingly participated in that presentation, I'd walk out for different reasons. To finish, if I had a sis, with a decent figure, but same senerio, we didn't get along, I'd sit through it. In the back of my mind, thinking, that if she could enjoy herself up there, might there be a chance that we could have a family relationship to enjoy, without all the other crap..

                                        Rico

    hladno, budi moj gost, ozbiljan sam. Što se moje sestre i mene tiče, ionako nikad nismo bliski. E sad, da imam stvarno dobru sestru, i da je rado učestvovala u toj prezentaciji, izašao bih iz različitih razloga. Da završim, da imam sestru, sa pristojnom figurom, ali isto senerio, nismo se slagali, sedeo bih. U pozadini mojih misli, razmišljajući, ako bi mogla da uživa tamo gore, možda bi postojala šansa da imamo porodični odnos u kome ćemo uživati, bez svih ostalih sranja..

    Rico

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I don't have that great a relationship with my siblings either, but no matter what the relationship, they could be there doing whatever and I wouldn't want to watch in any case.  I had enough sharing of sexuality with the family when I was little.  Don't want any now.  Maybe it's a bit different to contemplate this stuff for men and women.

    The class itself is probably enlightening.  The after-class demonstration itself probably served the purpose of making this teacher a more provocative choice for next semester.  He made celebrity status and got a mention on the news during the monopoly of enlightening us about Charlie Sheen.  Plus, it seems *he* gets to decide what a proper response to the issues are.  Nice work.

    Ni ja nemam tako dobar odnos sa svojom braćom i sestrama, ali bez obzira na odnos, oni mogu biti tamo i rade šta god i ne bih želeo da gledam u svakom slučaju. Imao sam dovoljno seksualnosti sa porodicom kada sam bio mali. Ne želim ništa sada. Možda je malo drugačije razmišljati o ovim stvarima za muškarce i žene.

    Sam čas je verovatno prosvetljujući. Sama demonstracija posle nastave je verovatno služila svrsi da ovaj nastavnik bude provokativniji izbor za sledeći semestar. Dobio je status slavne ličnosti i pominjao se u vestima tokom monopola da nas prosvetli o Čarli Šinu. Plus, čini se da *on* mora da odluči šta je pravi odgovor na probleme. Lepo delo.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hey Chilly, you said quite a bit, in your first paragraph. My concern, is your not walking around with some old battle scars, you know, those issues have been delt with properly. I realize your road is a bit bumpy, and has been for awhile, but at least theres a road. PM me, if you want to talk a bit more,      Rico

    Hej Chilli, rekao si dosta, u svom prvom pasusu. Brinem me, da ne hodaš okolo sa nekim starim ožiljcima od bitke, znaš, ta pitanja su rešena kako treba. Shvatam da je vaš put malo neravan, i bio je neko vreme, ali barem postoji put. Pošalji mi PM, ako želiš još malo da pričamo, Rico

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