Da li zemlje treba da primaju izbeglice iz Sirije?

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Anketa - Da li zemlje treba da primaju izbeglice iz Sirije?

  • apsolutno ne
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  • da bi trebalo
    53.49% (23)
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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    World leaders are still willing to accept refugees from Syria since the recent acts of terrorism. Do you agree with this or should we shut our borders to them?

    Svetski lideri su i dalje spremni da prihvate izbeglice iz Sirije od nedavnih terorističkih akata. Da li se slažete sa ovim ili da im zatvorimo granice?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    an absolute YES.

    apsolutno DA.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    To be honest, this topic is something me and my partner discuss every day and I am really scared. I've seen so many pictures and overall information that shows only bad things about them and their intentions, including the awful event in Paris and it makes me feel not safe.

    Da budem iskren, o ovoj temi ja i moj partner razgovaramo svaki dan i zaista sam uplašen. Video sam toliko slika i sveukupnih informacija koje pokazuju samo loše stvari o njima i njihovim namerama, uključujući užasan događaj u Parizu i zbog toga se osećam nesigurno.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Just because they live in a bad country does not mean that there not human life... I say take them in.. if we close the borders than we are giving them a death sentence and that is not right.

    Samo zato što žive u lošoj zemlji ne znači da nema ljudskih života... ja kažem primite ih.. ako zatvorimo granice onda im dajemo smrtnu kaznu i to nije u redu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I am personally on the fence about this, on one hand i don't want any more Syrian refugees in my country. We place so much emphasis on protecting the innocent there, yet the people in our own country are in jeopardy and sometimes feel we have become to liberal as a society.

    Then i read stories of how Jewish refugees were not allowed in certain countries at the start of World War ll. Hindsight is 20/20 and looking back now how could we turn them away.

    I really feel split down the middle on this. It is a scary time for the world and some countries are more targets than others. Who would of ever imagined that with all the military,fighter pilots, training and weapons every country has prepared for war, we are up against a few suicide bombers at a time that are equipped only with a gun. And it is enough to forever reshape our world.

    Ja sam lično zabrinut oko ovoga, s jedne strane ne želim više sirijske izbeglice u svojoj zemlji. Mi stavljamo veliki naglasak na zaštitu nevinih tamo, ali ljudi u našoj zemlji su u opasnosti i ponekad osećaju da smo postali liberalni kao društvo.

    Onda sam pročitao priče o tome kako jevrejskim izbeglicama nije bilo dozvoljeno u određenim zemljama na početku Drugog svetskog rata. Retrospektiva je 20/20 i sada gledajući unazad kako bismo ih mogli odbiti.

    Stvarno se osećam podeljeno po sredini. Ovo je zastrašujuće vreme za svet i neke zemlje su više meta od drugih. Ko bi ikada mogao da zamisli da se sa svom vojskom, borbenim pilotima, obukom i oružjem koje je svaka zemlja pripremila za rat, suočavamo sa nekoliko bombaša samoubica u isto vreme koji su opremljeni samo pištoljem. I to je dovoljno da zauvek preoblikuje naš svet.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    My answer is YES, definitely. Syrian refugees are victims and targets of terrorism as much as European or American citizens are.

    It's a rather vast topic but I can tell you this: Islamic State militants consider refugees as traitors and are determined to punish them.

    Moj odgovor je DA, definitivno. Sirijske izbeglice su žrtve i mete terorizma koliko i građani Evrope ili Amerike.

    To je prilično obimna tema, ali mogu vam reći sledeće: militanti Islamske države smatraju izbeglice izdajnicima i rešeni su da ih kazne.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    No.they are too different and cant integrate
    They need receive help but not to come in my country
    It is strange they not even  like to come in my country because not have so many benefits here..they only want go in rich country

    Border guards Timişeni they took the two refugee brothers , a few meters from the border with Serbia . When immigrants have realized that they are in Romania , they began to cry.

    The men were taken by border guards and taken to hearings Timişeni writes opiniatimişoarei.ro . They cried and told the border guards that did not want to arrive in Romania , but got lost and believed to be in Hungary . Furthermore, they asked to be returned to Serbia .

    So is obviously they are not happy only with peace

    Ne, previše su različiti i ne mogu da se integrišu
    Treba im pomoć, ali ne i da dođu u moju zemlju
    Čudno je ni oni ne vole da dolaze u moju zemlju jer nemaju toliko beneficija ovde..žele samo da idu u bogatu zemlju

    Graničari iz Temišena odveli su dva brata izbeglice na nekoliko metara od granice sa Srbijom. Kada su imigranti shvatili da su u Rumuniji, počeli su da plaču.

    Muškarce su odveli graničari i odveli na saslušanja u Timiseni, piše opiniatimisoarei.ro. Plakali su i rekli graničarima da nisu hteli da stignu u Rumuniju, ali su se izgubili i verovali da su u Mađarskoj. Nadalje, tražili su da budu vraćeni u Srbiju.

    Tako i oni očigledno nisu zadovoljni samo mirom

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    When immigrants have realized that they are in Romania , they began to cry.


    Can't really blame them smiley

    Now seriously, if you have a choice, would you go to live in Romania or Germany? You surely have a lot better prospects in Germany (lots of Romanians are there already, including quite a few of my friends).

    Kada su imigranti shvatili da su u Rumuniji, počeli su da plaču.


    Ne mogu ih kriviti smiley

    Sada ozbiljno, ako imate izbora, da li biste otišli da živite u Rumuniju ili Nemačku? Sigurno imate mnogo bolje izglede u Nemačkoj (mnogo Rumuna je već tamo, uključujući dosta mojih prijatelja).
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    My answer is:
    i still live n Romania

    and maybe my answer is weird but im not agree people go in other country and i also have part family in Spain,was better with they home
    I like see french in France.germans in Germany
    i.m only agree if they go study or go work with contract and the most i agree peoples go in other country in vacantions

    my opinion can be wrong i not say i have right,dont judge me to hard
    i,m afraid about your reactions

    Moj odgovor je:
    još uvek živim u Rumuniji

    i možda je moj odgovor čudan, ali ne slažem se da ljudi idu u drugu zemlju, a ja takođe imam deo porodice u Španiji, bilo je bolje sa njima kod kuće
    Volim da vidim francuske u Francuskoj. Nemce u Nemačkoj
    Slažem se samo ako odu da studiraju ili idu na posao sa ugovorom i najviše se slažem da ljudi idu u drugu zemlju na odmor

    moje mišljenje može biti pogrešno, ne kažem da imam pravo, ne sudite me preterano
    Plašim se tvojih reakcija

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/19/the-murderers-next-door-romania

    I live in this region.this article make me laugh because isnt true
    but is good at least noone will come here because negative publicity
    ,i think my region is most peacefull from my country
    http://vvv.theguardian.com/vorld/2015/nov/19/the-murderers-nekt-door-romania

    Živim u ovom regionu. Ovaj članak me zasmejava jer nije istinit
    ali dobro je da bar niko neće doći ovde zbog negativnog publiciteta
    ,Mislim da je moj region najmirniji od moje zemlje
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    My answer is yes, we should help them as much as possible. We had/have many refugees in Belgrade and they are mostly stationed around our Central Train and Bus Stations. I see them lying around on the grass, in small tents in the parks, and I don't mind them. At first it was weird, but now not so much, but a permanent solution is necessary. 

    Moj odgovor je da, treba da im pomognemo koliko god je to moguće. U Beogradu smo imali/imamo mnogo izbeglica i oni su uglavnom stacionirani oko naše Centralne železničke i autobuske stanice. Vidim ih kako leže na travi, u malim šatorima po parkovima, i ne smetaju mi. U početku je bilo čudno, ali sada ne toliko, ali je neophodno trajno rešenje.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    what happened to the human compassion and solidarity ...

    šta se desilo sa ljudskim saosećanjem i solidarnostom...

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I have many to tell but from my experience many are not agree with me so probably i wrong ,so i wait to see what other say maybe they will help me to change my atitude to became a better person

    I know i always need add a bit  poison in my comments worried

    Imam mnogo toga da kažem, ali iz mog iskustva mnogi se ne slažu sa mnom pa verovatno grešim, pa čekam da vidim šta drugi kažu, možda će mi pomoći da promenim svoj stav i da postanem bolja osoba

    Znam da uvek treba da dodam malo otrova u svoje komentare worried

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    what happened to the human compassion and solidarity ...


    Good question but i think there is compassion and real emotion looking at both sides so it is easy to understand why there is split reactions. It is natural to feel compassion in general for mankind and raw emotion when it happens in your homeland.

    šta se desilo sa ljudskim saosećanjem i solidarnostom...


    Dobro pitanje, ali mislim da postoji saosećanje i prava emocija sa obe strane, tako da je lako razumeti zašto postoje podeljene reakcije. Prirodno je uopšte osećati saosećanje prema čovečanstvu i grube emocije kada se to dogodi u vašoj domovini.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I lived in Oslo, Norway for a couple of years.There is a district, Gronland with a lot of refugees.

    Read this article and You'll understand why my answer is the strongest NO:

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norway-suburb-into-crimeden-police-we-have-lost-the-city/

    Živeo sam u Oslu u Norveškoj nekoliko godina. Postoji okrug Gronland sa puno izbeglica.

    Pročitajte ovaj članak i shvatićete zašto je moj odgovor najjači NE:

    https://themuslimissue.vordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norvai-suburb-into-crimeden-police-ve-have-lost-the-citi/

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    At first, when none of this had happened, I was strongly saying and thinking- yes, we need to do that and it will help us too to be more humane. But when I saw the pictures where they are threating everyone who doesn't like their belief, when I heard about the many rapes they've done in Sweden and elsewhere, then Paris.. And the rudeness that comes across when they are not happy with the places they've gone to. Yes some sort of help is needed, but I think we need to think about ourselves first.  Right now I'm afraid to live in my own country and I'm afraid to travel and that's not how I want to live. Might sound harsh but that's just how I feel.

    U početku, kada se ništa od ovoga nije desilo, snažno sam govorio i razmišljao – da, to treba da uradimo i to će nam pomoći da budemo humaniji. Ali kada sam video slike na kojima prete svima kojima se ne sviđa njihovo uverenje, kada sam čuo za mnoga silovanja koja su izvršili u Švedskoj i drugde, onda Pariz.. I bezobrazluk koji nastaje kada nisu srećni sa mestima na koja su otišli. Da, potrebna je neka vrsta pomoći, ali mislim da prvo treba da razmislimo o sebi. Trenutno se plašim da živim u svojoj zemlji i bojim se da putujem, a ne želim da živim tako. Možda zvuči grubo, ali ja se tako osećam.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Ive seen the below quoted picture before. This is a proof how mainstream and social media influenced ppl are too quick to judge.

    As it turned out that guy was a member of official Government forces so that image was taken out of the context and misused for the purpose sensationalism  and creating fear.


    ...

    Već sam video dole citiranu sliku. Ovo je dokaz kako su ljudi na mejnstrim i društveni mediji prebrzo sudi.

    Kako se ispostavilo da je taj momak bio pripadnik zvaničnih vladinih snaga pa je ta slika izvučena iz konteksta i zloupotrebljena u svrhu senzacionalizma i straha.


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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Yes. Verification of identity and, if not a terrorist - welcome.
    I believe that refugees are obliged to accept the conditions of life of the country where they settled.
    Adhering to their religion do not to humiliate our religion its attributes and rites.

    Da. Provera identiteta i, ako ne terorista - dobrodošli.
    Smatram da su izbeglice dužne da prihvate uslove života zemlje u kojoj su se naselile.
    Privrženost njihovoj religiji ne treba da ponižava našu religiju njene atribute i obrede.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I lived in Oslo, Norway for a couple of years.There is a district, Gronland with a lot of refugees.

    Read this article and You'll understand why my answer is the strongest NO:

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norway-suburb-into-crimeden-police-we-have-lost-the-city/
    [/quote]

    Gregjo, those in Oslo are immigrants, we're talking about refugees. There's a huge difference between the two categories if you ask me.

    [quote author=barebones link=topic=35864.msg391709#msg391709 date=1448029022]
    [...] then Paris.. [...]



    Paris has nothing to do with the Syrian refugees, all eight attackers were EU citizens.


    Živeo sam u Oslu u Norveškoj nekoliko godina. Postoji okrug Gronland sa puno izbeglica.

    Pročitajte ovaj članak i shvatićete zašto je moj odgovor najjači NE:

    https://themuslimissue.vordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norvai-suburb-into-crimeden-police-ve-have-lost-the-citi/
    [/citat]

    Gređo, oni u Oslu su imigranti, pričamo o izbeglicama. Postoji ogromna razlika između ove dve kategorije ako mene pitate.

    [kuote author=barebones link=topic=35864.msg391709#msg391709 date=1448029022]
    [...] zatim Pariz.. [...]



    Pariz nema nikakve veze sa sirijskim izbeglicama, svih osam napadača bili su državljani EU.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Gregjo, those in Oslo are immigrants, we're talking about refugees. There's a huge difference between the two categories if you ask me.


    I'm sorry Johnny, but I don't feel high difference. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not racist and I have no Islamophobia.
    My dentist, Vissem is from Lebanon. He's a very hard-working, friendly and clever guy. He's Muslim. And he's afraid of the refugees as well. ISIS members are hard to find. They will continue to subvert Europe from within. I think Europe should punish and destroy the ISIS instead of take in refugees.Syria is their homeland, and not Europe.
    Maybe I'm rude but this is my opinion. 

    Gređo, oni u Oslu su imigranti, pričamo o izbeglicama. Postoji ogromna razlika između ove dve kategorije ako mene pitate.


    Žao mi je Džoni, ali ne osećam veliku razliku. Molim vas nemojte me pogrešno shvatiti, nisam rasista i nemam islamofobiju.
    Moj zubar Vissem je iz Libana. On je veoma vredan, druželjubiv i pametan momak. On je musliman. A boji se i izbeglica. Pripadnike ISIS-a je teško pronaći. Oni će nastaviti da podrivaju Evropu iznutra. Mislim da bi Evropa trebalo da kazni i uništi ISIS umesto da prima izbeglice. Sirija je njihova domovina, a ne Evropa.
    Možda sam nepristojan, ali ovo je moje mišljenje.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski


    I'm sorry Johnny, but I don't feel high difference. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not racist and I have no Islamophobia.

    [/quote]

    Imagine there would be a civil war in Hungary and that your life would be in danger every day. I guess you'd want to leave, right? I know I would. And maybe you'd want to come to Romania, hypothetically speaking. But Romanians wouldn't take you in because you're a Catholic for instance. How does that sound?

    Apart from that, it's true that several people are coming into Europe from other countries in the Arab world, taking advantage of the wave of Syrian refugees. But that doesn't change my opinion about the REAL refugees, people that are trying to keep themselves and their children alive and maybe build them a better future in a peaceful country.

    [quote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391765#msg391765 date=1448049482]
    ISIS members are hard to find. They will continue to subvert Europe from within. I think Europe should punish and destroy the ISIS instead of take in refugees. Syria is their homeland, and not Europe.


    Again, ISIS attacks in Paris have nothing to do with the Syrian refugees. Secondly, refugees have been fleeing Syria for about three years now, millions of them in Jordan and in Turkey. Where should they go, back to Syria to die, caught in the middle in a conflict between a tyrant (Assad) and a bunch of lunatics (ISIS)?


    Žao mi je Džoni, ali ne osećam veliku razliku. Molim vas nemojte me pogrešno shvatiti, nisam rasista i nemam islamofobiju.

    [/citat]

    Zamislite da bi u Mađarskoj bio građanski rat i da bi vam život bio u opasnosti svaki dan. Pretpostavljam da biste želeli da odete, zar ne? Znam da bih. A možda biste želeli da dođete u Rumuniju, hipotetički rečeno. Ali Rumuni vas ne bi primili jer ste katolik na primer. Kako to zvuči?

    Osim toga, istina je da nekoliko ljudi dolazi u Evropu iz drugih zemalja arapskog sveta, koristeći talas sirijskih izbeglica. Ali to ne menja moje mišljenje o PRAVIM izbeglicama, ljudima koji pokušavaju da održe sebe i svoju decu u životu i možda im izgrade bolju budućnost u mirnoj zemlji.

    [kuote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391765#msg391765 date=1448049482]
    Pripadnike ISIS-a je teško pronaći. Oni će nastaviti da podrivaju Evropu iznutra. Mislim da bi Evropa trebalo da kazni i uništi ISIS umesto da prima izbeglice. Sirija je njihova domovina, a ne Evropa.


    Opet, napadi ISIS-a u Parizu nemaju nikakve veze sa sirijskim izbeglicama. Drugo, izbeglice beže iz Sirije već oko tri godine, milioni njih u Jordanu i Turskoj. Gde da idu, da se vrate u Siriju da umru, uhvaćeni usred sukoba između tiranina (Asada) i gomile ludaka (ISIS)?
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    But Romanians wouldn't take you in because you're a Catholic for instance. How does that sound?
    [/quote]

    You misunderstood me. I don't judge people by their religion, skin color, nationality, etc...


    Apart from that, it's true that several people are coming into Europe from other countries in the Arab world, taking advantage of the wave of Syrian refugees. But that doesn't change my opinion about the REAL refugees, people that are trying to keep themselves and their children alive and maybe build them a better future in a peaceful country.


    This is the real problem. Can You distinguish between real refugees and ISIS members? If can't, would You like to risk Your, Your relatives and friends life?

    I'd like to live in a peaceful world. But honestly, do You think this is possible?

    [quote author=Johnny Karp link=topic=35864.msg391766#msg391766 date=1448050083]
    Again, ISIS attacks in Paris have nothing to do with the Syrian refugees. Secondly, refugees have been fleeing Syria for about three years now, millions of them in Jordan and in Turkey. Where should they go, back to Syria to die, caught in the middle in a conflict between a tyrant (Assad) and a bunch of lunatics (ISIS)?


    Imo this solution would be the best: http://qz.com/495075/an-egyptian-billionaire-wants-to-buy-a-mediterranean-island-for-refugees/






    Ali Rumuni vas ne bi primili jer ste katolik na primer. Kako to zvuči?
    [/citat]

    Ste me pogrešno razumeli. Ne sudim ljude po njihovoj veri, boji kože, nacionalnosti itd...


    Osim toga, istina je da nekoliko ljudi dolazi u Evropu iz drugih zemalja arapskog sveta, koristeći talas sirijskih izbeglica. Ali to ne menja moje mišljenje o PRAVIM izbeglicama, ljudima koji pokušavaju da održe sebe i svoju decu u životu i možda im izgrade bolju budućnost u mirnoj zemlji.


    Ovo je pravi problem. Možete li razlikovati prave izbeglice od pripadnika ISIS-a? Ako ne možete, da li biste želeli da rizikujete svoj život, život svojih rođaka i prijatelja?

    Voleo bih da živim u mirnom svetu. Ali iskreno, da li mislite da je ovo moguće?

    [kuote author=Johnni Karp link=topic=35864.msg391766#msg391766 date=1448050083]
    Opet, napadi ISIS-a u Parizu nemaju nikakve veze sa sirijskim izbeglicama. Drugo, izbeglice beže iz Sirije već oko tri godine, milioni njih u Jordanu i Turskoj. Gde da idu, da se vrate u Siriju da umru, uhvaćeni usred sukoba između tiranina (Asada) i gomile ludaka (ISIS)?


    Ovo rešenje bi bilo najbolje: http: //kz.com/495075/an-egiptian-billionaire-vants-to-bui-a-mediterranean-island-for-refugees/





  • Original engleski Prevod srpski


    This is the real problem. Can You distinguish between real refugees and ISIS members? If can't, would You like to risk Your, Your relatives and friends life?

    I'd like to live in a peaceful world. But honestly, do You think this is possible?
    [/quote]

    It's not my job to distinguish between them, that's why we have police, tons of security forces and Viktor Orban smiley Threats to security will continue to exist, they existed long before Syria (remember 9/11 or Atocha in 2004?).

    As long as EU citizens that support ISIS can move freely to Syria and back (like the coordinator of the Paris attacks) I guess that's where the real problem is. We can't build fences and walls to stop threats, the Middle Ages have ended a few centuries ago.

    [quote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391770#msg391770 date=1448052825]

    Imo this solution would be the best: http://qz.com/495075/an-egyptian-billionaire-wants-to-buy-a-mediterranean-island-for-refugees/



    That billionaire seems a bit of a show-off to me, he could have bought the island already.


    Ovo je pravi problem. Možete li razlikovati prave izbeglice od pripadnika ISIS-a? Ako ne možete, da li biste želeli da rizikujete svoj život, život svojih rođaka i prijatelja?

    Voleo bih da živim u mirnom svetu. Ali iskreno, da li mislite da je ovo moguće?
    [/citat]

    Nije moj posao da ih razlikujem, zato imamo policiju, tone snaga bezbednosti i Viktora Orbana smiley Pretnje po bezbednost će postojati i dalje, postojale su mnogo pre Sirije (sećate se 11. septembra ili Atoče 2004?).

    Sve dok građani EU koji podržavaju ISIS mogu slobodno da se kreću u Siriju i nazad (poput koordinatora napada u Parizu), pretpostavljam da je tu pravi problem. Ne možemo da pravimo ograde i zidove da zaustavimo pretnje, srednji vek je završio pre nekoliko vekova.

    [kuote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391770#msg391770 date=1448052825]

    Ovo rešenje bi bilo najbolje: http: //kz.com/495075/an-egiptian-billionaire-vants-to-bui-a-mediterranean-island-for-refugees/



    Taj milijarder mi deluje malo za razmetanje, mogao je već da kupi ostrvo.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ...we have police, tons of security forces and Viktor Orban smiley...

    We can't build fences and walls to stop threats, the Middle Ages have ended a few centuries ago.
    [/quote]

    But he tries:




    As long as EU citizens that support ISIS can move freely to Syria and back (like the coordinator of the Paris attacks) I guess that's where the real problem is. We can't build fences and walls to stop threats, the Middle Ages have ended a few centuries ago.


    You're right, Middle Ages have ended but the Dark Ages are back. I'd like to minimize the risk factor and say no to taking in Syrian refugees.

    [quote author=Johnny Karp link=topic=35864.msg391772#msg391772 date=1448054404]
    That billionaire seems a bit of a show-off to me, he could have bought the island already.


    He was attacked by the Greek government. They said the guy wants to get a private army with an own homeland and they refused the buying offer.

    ...imamo policiju, tone snaga bezbednosti i Viktora Orbana smiley ...

    Ne možemo da pravimo ograde i zidove da zaustavimo pretnje, srednji vek je završio pre nekoliko vekova.
    [/citat]

    Ali on pokušava:




    Sve dok građani EU koji podržavaju ISIS mogu slobodno da se kreću u Siriju i nazad (poput koordinatora napada u Parizu), pretpostavljam da je tu pravi problem. Ne možemo da pravimo ograde i zidove da zaustavimo pretnje, srednji vek je završio pre nekoliko vekova.


    U pravu ste, srednji vek je završio, ali mračni vek se vratio. Želeo bih da minimiziram faktor rizika i kažem ne prihvatanju sirijskih izbeglica.

    [kuote author=Johnni Karp link=topic=35864.msg391772#msg391772 date=1448054404]
    Taj milijarder mi deluje malo za razmetanje, mogao je već da kupi ostrvo.


    Napala ga je grčka vlada. Rekli su da momak želi da dobije privatnu vojsku sa sopstvenom domovinom i odbili su ponudu za kupovinu.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Syria has been a WORLD problem for a very long time and as they do not have so much oil no-one cared for a very long time, I mean we are talking about many YEARS of civil war of the worst kind. Two countries, Russia and China, have blocked every resolution of the UNO for those many years. The logical consequence is that the people are leaving the country and they would keep to do so unless we do not resolve the problem. Interestingly they do not want to go to Saudi Arabia or VAE and prefer to live in a country dominated by christians.

    Stopping refugees from getting in would not stop terrorists at all. They (the modern terrorist) are good organised and have enough money to go where they want to, legal or illegal. Being cruel to refugees would not help. Those people (the refugees), they trust us to be good christians and to help them. Crazy world.

    Sirija je jako dugo SVETSKI problem i kako nemaju toliko nafte niko se jako dugo ne brine, mislim da govorimo o višegodišnjim građanskim ratovima najgore vrste. Dve zemlje, Rusija i Kina, blokirale su svaku rezoluciju Ujedinjenih nacija tih mnogo godina. Logična posledica je da ljudi odlaze iz zemlje i to bi i dalje činili ako ne rešimo problem. Zanimljivo je da ne žele da idu u Saudijsku Arabiju ili VAE i više vole da žive u zemlji u kojoj dominiraju hrišćani.

    Sprečavanje ulaska izbeglica uopšte ne bi zaustavilo teroriste. Oni (moderni teroristi) su dobro organizovani i imaju dovoljno novca da odu gde žele, legalno ili ilegalno. Biti okrutan prema izbeglicama ne bi pomoglo. Ti ljudi (izbeglice), veruju da smo dobri hrišćani i da ćemo im pomoći. Lud svet.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski



    I'm sorry Johnny, but I don't feel high difference. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not racist and I have no Islamophobia.

    [/quote]

    Imagine there would be a civil war in Hungary and that your life would be in danger every day. I guess you'd want to leave, right? I know I would. And maybe you'd want to come to Romania, hypothetically speaking. But Romanians wouldn't take you in because you're a Catholic for instance. How does that sound?

    Apart from that, it's true that several people are coming into Europe from other countries in the Arab world, taking advantage of the wave of Syrian refugees. But that doesn't change my opinion about the REAL refugees, people that are trying to keep themselves and their children alive and maybe build them a better future in a peaceful country.

    [quote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391765#msg391765 date=1448049482]
    ISIS members are hard to find. They will continue to subvert Europe from within. I think Europe should punish and destroy the ISIS instead of take in refugees. Syria is their homeland, and not Europe.


    Again, ISIS attacks in Paris have nothing to do with the Syrian refugees. Secondly, refugees have been fleeing Syria for about three years now, millions of them in Jordan and in Turkey. Where should they go, back to Syria to die, caught in the middle in a conflict between a tyrant (Assad) and a bunch of lunatics (ISIS)?


    Yes i would accept Hungarians refugees because i know after war they will go home and they arent agressive
    I have a few neighbours and aren,t different than us and i like catholic churches even if i born ortodox,i go where i want noone put me interdiction

    this is my opinion ,i def accept refugees from any civilized country



    Žao mi je Džoni, ali ne osećam veliku razliku. Molim vas nemojte me pogrešno shvatiti, nisam rasista i nemam islamofobiju.

    [/citat]

    Zamislite da bi u Mađarskoj bio građanski rat i da bi vam život bio u opasnosti svaki dan. Pretpostavljam da biste želeli da odete, zar ne? Znam da bih. A možda biste želeli da dođete u Rumuniju, hipotetički rečeno. Ali Rumuni vas ne bi primili jer ste katolik na primer. Kako to zvuči?

    Osim toga, istina je da nekoliko ljudi dolazi u Evropu iz drugih zemalja arapskog sveta, koristeći talas sirijskih izbeglica. Ali to ne menja moje mišljenje o PRAVIM izbeglicama, ljudima koji pokušavaju da održe sebe i svoju decu u životu i možda im izgrade bolju budućnost u mirnoj zemlji.

    [kuote author=Gregjo link=topic=35864.msg391765#msg391765 date=1448049482]
    Pripadnike ISIS-a je teško pronaći. Oni će nastaviti da podrivaju Evropu iznutra. Mislim da bi Evropa trebalo da kazni i uništi ISIS umesto da prima izbeglice. Sirija je njihova domovina, a ne Evropa.


    Opet, napadi ISIS-a u Parizu nemaju nikakve veze sa sirijskim izbeglicama. Drugo, izbeglice beže iz Sirije već oko tri godine, milioni njih u Jordanu i Turskoj. Gde da idu, da se vrate u Siriju da umru, uhvaćeni usred sukoba između tiranina (Asada) i gomile ludaka (ISIS)?


    Da, prihvatio bih Mađare izbeglice jer znam da će posle rata otići kući i da nisu agresivni
    Imam nekoliko komšija i nisam drugačiji od nas i volim katoličke crkve čak i ako sam rođen pravoslavac, idem tamo gde želim da mi niko ne stavlja zabranu

    ovo je moje mišljenje, ja definitivno prihvatam izbeglice iz bilo koje civilizovane zemlje
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    this is my opinion ,i def accept refugees from any civilized country


    Imagine you would have been born in Syria or Iraq, just think about that. As long as you think you're better than somebody else just because you were born here and he was born somewhere else... there isn't much left to say.

    ovo je moje mišljenje, ja definitivno prihvatam izbeglice iz bilo koje civilizovane zemlje


    Zamislite da ste rođeni u Siriji ili Iraku, razmislite samo o tome. Sve dok mislite da ste bolji od nekog drugog samo zato što ste rođeni ovde, a on je rođen negde drugde... nema mnogo toga da se kaže.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    first they refuse to come in my country because is a poor one
    if i was born in Syria i would go in first country where is peace  and which accept me

    prvo odbijaju da dođu u moju zemlju jer je siromašna
    da sam rođen u Siriji otišao bih u prvu zemlju u kojoj je mir i koja me prihvata

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    is hard to understand romanian peoples ,maybe my comments sound racist so i will stop

    are you hungarian?if yes what botters you?we all know your country atitude beside refugges,that mean Viktor Orban is taken as racist?

    teško je razumeti rumunske narode, možda moji komentari zvuče rasistički pa ću prestati

    da li ste Mađar? ako jeste, šta vam smeta? svi znamo vaš odnos prema zemlji pored izbeglištva, što znači da se Viktor Orban smatra rasistom?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    my favorite song from all the times to calm  this conflict

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj75Arhq5ho

    apology,peace and love to all  tongue kiss kiss

    moja omiljena pesma svih vremena za smirivanje ovog sukoba

    https://vvv.ioutube.com/vatch?v=Tj75Arhk5ho

    izvinjenje, mir i ljubav svima tonguekisskiss

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Ive seen the below quoted picture before. This is a proof how mainstream and social media influenced ppl are too quick to judge.

    As it turned out that guy was a member of official Government forces so that image was taken out of the context and misused for the purpose sensationalism  and creating fear.


    ...




    I am sorry Zuga but there is enough going on that is real without capitalizing on some media propaganda.

    Yes the media is a great cause for the worlds problems today, but in the current ISIS crisis i don't think misjudging images or influencing the masses with false information is going to make much of a difference at this point.

    Već sam video dole citiranu sliku. Ovo je dokaz kako su ljudi na mejnstrim i društveni mediji prebrzo sudi.

    Kako se ispostavilo da je taj momak bio pripadnik zvaničnih vladinih snaga pa je ta slika izvučena iz konteksta i zloupotrebljena u svrhu senzacionalizma i straha.


    ...




    Žao mi je Zuga, ali ima dovoljno toga što je stvarno bez kapitalizacije neke medijske propagande.

    Da, mediji su veliki uzrok svetskih problema danas, ali u trenutnoj krizi ISIS-a ne mislim da će pogrešna procena slika ili uticaj na mase lažnim informacijama doneti veliku razliku u ovom trenutku.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    everyone saw what happened in Paris last week.a lot of refugees are possible terrorists.
    So, I think no!

    svi su videli šta se desilo u Parizu prošle nedelje.mnogo izbeglica su mogući teroristi.
    Dakle, mislim da ne!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    That what happened in Paris is shocking and i wish that wont hapend ever again, but there is a lot of good people for there , poor people that are running away for war in their countries . They are carring their childrens and want a better life for them . I know there is a lot of terrorist , but not all . There should be more controle on borders .

    Da je ono što se desilo u Parizu šokantno i voleo bih da se to više nikada ne ponovi, ali tamo ima mnogo dobrih ljudi, siromašnih koji beže u rat u svoje zemlje. Oni nose svoju decu i žele im bolji život. Znam da ima mnogo terorista, ali ne svi. Trebalo bi da bude više kontrole na granicama.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    yes let them all in they are just people trying to get away from war they are not terrorist, the real terrorist are the caucasians they shoot up schools and do massive killings and they also blow up stuff every other day, I still have yet to see a refugee do any harm and there's millions of them.

    da, pusti ih sve unutra, oni su samo ljudi koji pokušavaju da pobegnu od rata nisu teroristi, pravi teroristi su belci koji pucaju u škole i vrše masovna ubistva i takođe dižu stvari u vazduh svaki drugi dan, još uvek moram da vidim izbeglica učini bilo kakvu štetu i ima ih na milione.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    There are refugees leaving Syria due to horrendous conditions. They are fleeing to save their lives and the lives of children. I think that if there is an intense background check, definitely counties should help those that are trying to escape.

    Luke made a good point. There are massive amounts of violence here in America that have nothing to do with immigrants. I think that more needs to be done to keep people from being able to build an arsenal....legally....right here.  exclamation

    I could really go on and on about that subject, but I will stop here.
    lips_sealed
    Ima izbeglica koje napuštaju Siriju zbog užasnih uslova. Oni beže da spasu svoje živote i živote dece. Mislim da ako dođe do intenzivne provere prošlosti, okrug bi definitivno trebalo da pomogne onima koji pokušavaju da pobegnu.

    Luk je dobro rekao. Ovde u Americi postoje ogromne količine nasilja koje nemaju nikakve veze sa imigrantima. Mislim da treba više da se uradi da ljudi ne bi mogli da izgrade arsenal... legalno.... baš ovde. exclamation

    Mogao bih zaista da nabrajam o toj temi, ali ću se ovde zaustaviti.
    lips_sealed
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I lived in Oslo, Norway for a couple of years.There is a district, Gronland with a lot of refugees.

    Read this article and You'll understand why my answer is the strongest NO:

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norway-suburb-into-crimeden-police-we-have-lost-the-city/


    I lived in Oslo, Norway for a couple of years.There is a district, Gronland with a lot of refugees.

    Read this article and You'll understand why my answer is the strongest NO:

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norway-suburb-into-crimeden-police-we-have-lost-the-city/



    Take it easy man. The Oslo police has not "lost the city". The ambulances and the firefighters can still drive in to all parts of Oslo, without escorte from the police.

    As they can not in some Swedish cities, like Stockholm and Malmø.


    Živeo sam u Oslu u Norveškoj nekoliko godina. Postoji okrug Gronland sa puno izbeglica.

    Pročitajte ovaj članak i shvatićete zašto je moj odgovor najjači NE:

    https://themuslimissue.vordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norvai-suburb-into-crimeden-police-ve-have-lost-the-citi/


    Živeo sam u Oslu u Norveškoj nekoliko godina. Postoji okrug Gronland sa puno izbeglica.

    Pročitajte ovaj članak i shvatićete zašto je moj odgovor najjači NE:

    https://themuslimissue.vordpress.com/2013/11/19/muslims-turn-norvai-suburb-into-crimeden-police-ve-have-lost-the-citi/



    Polako čoveče. Policija Osla nije "izgubila grad". Hitna pomoć i vatrogasci i dalje mogu da uđu u sve delove Osla, bez pratnje policije.

    Kao što ne mogu u nekim švedskim gradovima, poput Stokholma i Malmea.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY9HYV3ZNgA

    Friendly immigrants in Hungary  cheesy There are a lot of videos like this. My vote goes to NO  wink Kids with mothers - ok, those friendly guys - hell no. wink
    https://vvv.ioutube.com/vatch?v=NI9HIV3ZNgA

    Prijateljski imigranti u Mađarskoj cheesy Ima dosta ovakvih video zapisa. Moj glas ide NE wink Deca sa majkama - ok, ti druželjubivi momci - dođavola ne. wink
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    they was offended to receive that food
    probably was better in Syria : hysterical
    maybe bombs and guns  arent so frightening

    bili su uvređeni što su primili tu hranu
    verovatno je bilo bolje u Siriji: hysterical
    možda bombe i oružje nisu toliko zastrašujuće

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    After all unhappy events from Koln and other places i no regret my answer regarding refugees
    Never was so bad in Europe

    Posle svih nesrećnih događaja iz Kelna i drugih mesta, ne kajem se zbog svog odgovora u vezi sa izbeglicama
    Nikada u Evropi nije bilo tako loše

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    After all unhappy events from Koln and other places i no regret my answer regarding refugees
    Never was so bad in Europe



    I agree with you. It was not only few migrigants in Cologne and other cities, there was many of them.

    Posle svih nesrećnih događaja iz Kelna i drugih mesta, ne kajem se zbog svog odgovora u vezi sa izbeglicama
    Nikada u Evropi nije bilo tako loše



    Slažem se sa tobom. Nije bilo samo nekoliko migriganata u Kelnu i drugim gradovima, bilo ih je mnogo.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I personally feel that this is not just a trouble with a particular country but a particular mindset to create hell on earth, killing innocent people in the name of religion. Ironically, Saudi Arabia and a few more nations finance this massacre.
              Kudos to Putin to clear this mess. Any such conquest by any terrorist organization in any part of the world should be diminished.

    Ja lično smatram da ovo nije samo problem sa određenom zemljom, već poseban način razmišljanja da se stvori pakao na zemlji, ubijajući nevine ljude u ime religije. Ironično, Saudijska Arabija i još nekoliko nacija finansiraju ovaj masakr.
    Svaka čast Putinu što je raščistio ovaj nered. Svako takvo osvajanje bilo koje terorističke organizacije u bilo kom delu sveta trebalo bi da bude umanjeno.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    We are a nation of immigrants. You let them in. I grew up during Vietnam, I remember Vietnamese kids coming to the school. Did we toss the Japanese out just because of Pearl Harbor. Some of our greatest citizens will be some Muslims that really appreciate that we saved their necks.

    Mi smo nacija imigranata. Pustio si ih unutra. Odrastao sam u Vijetnamu, sećam se vijetnamske dece koja su dolazila u školu. Jesmo li izbacili Japance samo zbog Perl Harbora. Neki od naših najvećih građana biće neki muslimani koji zaista cene što smo im sačuvali vratove.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think Saudi Arabia should spearhead the task of welcoming the immigrants from Syria. They are a very wealthy nation and they should help their Muslim brothers

    Mislim da bi Saudijska Arabija trebalo da predvodi zadatak dobrodošlice imigrantima iz Sirije. Oni su veoma bogata nacija i trebalo bi da pomognu svojoj muslimanskoj braći

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think Saudi Arabia should spearhead the task of welcoming the immigrants from Syria. They are a very wealthy nation and they should help their Muslim brothers


    That's not going to happen, people in Saudi Arabia are Sunni Muslims, most Syrian refugees are Shia Muslims. In fact, Saudi Arabia is believed to be backing ISIS, which are also Sunni, as they want to reduce the influence of Shia-led states in the region (mainly Iran and Syria).

    Mislim da bi Saudijska Arabija trebalo da predvodi zadatak dobrodošlice imigrantima iz Sirije. Oni su veoma bogata nacija i trebalo bi da pomognu svojoj muslimanskoj braći


    To se neće dogoditi, ljudi u Saudijskoj Arabiji su sunitski muslimani, većina sirijskih izbeglica su muslimani šiiti. U stvari, veruje se da Saudijska Arabija podržava ISIS, koji su takođe suniti, jer žele da smanje uticaj država koje predvode šiiti u regionu (uglavnom Iran i Sirija).
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    an absolute YES.

    An absolute NO,zuga!!!!Look what they do in Germany. >:(

    apsolutno DA.

    Apsolutno NE,zuga!!!!Vidi šta rade u Nemačkoj. >:(
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Yes they should, but let them stay in an area just for them and when the danger is over they need to go home.

    Da, trebalo bi, ali neka ostanu u oblasti samo za njih i kada opasnost prođe moraju da odu kući.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I still strongly believe that no. In my whole life I don't remember a time when the whole Europe was feeling so shaken and afraid as it is now.

    Još uvek čvrsto verujem da ne. U svom životu ne pamtim vreme kada je cela Evropa bila tako potresena i uplašena kao sada.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Have seen this topic over the last couple of months and I never responded.  The USA has always helped others in their times of need. I am proud of that fact. Whenever there is a crisis, we are the ones other countries look to for guidance.  If we don't start protecting our own interest, and protecting our citizens, there will be no USA for others to run to. Financially it is crippling our economy. My heart goes out to those in need, and I thank God everyday I was born in this great country.  Terrorists , groups with their own agendas are everywhere. We need to figure out a better way to monitor who we are letting into this country. Not just the Syrians, everyone. Before any one slams me for thinking this way , I know that there are good people trying to enter this country, probably 98 percent. But that other 2 percent have killed about 4000 of our citizens. Can we afford not to change our policies.
    thank you didn't mean to ramble on
    imakin1

    Video sam ovu temu u poslednjih nekoliko meseci i nikad nisam odgovorio. SAD su uvek pomagale drugima u trenucima potrebe. Ponosan sam na tu činjenicu. Kad god postoji kriza, mi smo ti od kojih druge zemlje traže smernice. Ako ne počnemo da štitimo sopstveni interes, i da štitimo svoje građane, neće biti SAD u koje bi drugi mogli da beže. Finansijski to sakati našu ekonomiju. Moje srce ide prema onima kojima je potrebna, i zahvaljujem Bogu svaki dan što sam rođen u ovoj velikoj zemlji. Teroristi, grupe sa sopstvenim programima su svuda. Moramo da smislimo bolji način da nadgledamo koga puštamo u ovu zemlju. Ne samo Sirijci, svi. Pre nego što me neko opali što ovako razmišljam, znam da ima dobrih ljudi koji pokušavaju da uđu u ovu zemlju, verovatno 98 odsto. Ali ta druga 2 odsto je ubila oko 4000 naših građana. Možemo li sebi priuštiti da ne menjamo našu politiku.
    hvala nisi hteo da lutaš
    imakin1

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The refugees problem is the biggest challenge we have had since the WWII and no-one knows what to do.The life with the refugees is changing so fast and the people do have problems to adapt and this apply to everyone. All of a sudden we don't have enough buildings, enough jobs etc. And of course those Christmas pictures in Cologne, not the best publicity for the refugees and for the outlanders. At the end of January we are still discussing those pictures and the problems from the January 1st.

    Problem izbeglica je najveći izazov koji smo imali od Drugog svetskog rata i niko ne zna šta da radi. Život sa izbeglicama se tako brzo menja i ljudi imaju problema da se prilagode i to važi za sve. Odjednom nemamo dovoljno zgrada, dovoljno poslova itd. I naravno one božićne slike u Kelnu, nisu najbolji reklam za izbeglice i strance. Krajem januara još razgovaramo o tim slikama i problemima od 1. januara.

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