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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Hi LCB'ers,

    I just heard on the radio a story and just have to share it with ya and get your feed back.

    A woman who frequents a restaurant several times a week does NOT tip. Although she is happy with the service and the food she has never left a tip.

    The owner decided to ban her. She is no longer allowed to eat in his establishment. Do you think this was the right thing to do?

    Is it legal to ban a patron for not tipping. Tipping is not required by law. Yet at the same time it is morally wrong. 

    Do you agree with banning her?

    Lips
    Zdravo LCB'ers,

    Upravo sam čuo priču na radiju i samo moram da je podelim sa vama i dobijem povratne informacije.

    Žena koja posećuje restoran nekoliko puta nedeljno NE daje napojnicu. Iako je zadovoljna uslugom i hranom, nikada nije ostavila napojnicu.

    Vlasnik je odlučio da je zabrani. Ona više ne sme da jede u njegovom objektu. Mislite li da je ovo bila prava stvar?

    Da li je legalno zabraniti patrona jer ne daje bakšiš. Napojnica nije propisana zakonom. Ali u isto vreme to je moralno pogrešno.

    Da li se slažete sa njenom zabranom?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Tipping, as far as I know, is voluntary.  Should she be banned?  No.  She's still a paying customer.  Of course, Lord only knows what the disgruntled staff is putting in her sandwich....

    Bakšiš je, koliko ja znam, dobrovoljan. Treba li je zabraniti? Ne. Ona još uvek plaća. Naravno, samo Gospod zna šta joj nezadovoljno osoblje stavlja u sendvič...

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Well, due to laws, the owners DO have the right to ban patrons. Reasons may vary though.  Had I been a server and such, I'd NOT want a person who I KNEW wouldn't tip me no matter what I did.

    Now, the crux of this is that (If you recall) I posted about a couple who refused to pay the gratuity ("No Tip? Call the police!) and were arrested. I stand by that as they and this patron KNOWS that this is in place.

    So, if you're going to eat out, if you don't plan to tip, then hit the local Mickey D's, they won't give a darn.

    Pa, zbog zakona, vlasnici imaju pravo da zabrane pokrovitelje. Ipak, razlozi mogu biti različiti. Da sam bio server i slično, NE bih želeo da mi osoba za koju sam ZNAO ne bi dala napojnicu šta god da radim.

    Suština ovoga je da sam (ako se sećate) objavio o paru koji je odbio da plati napojnicu („Bez napojnice? Pozovite policiju!) i da su uhapšeni. Ostajem pri tome pošto oni i ovaj pokrovitelj ZNAJU da je ovo je na mestu.

    Dakle, ako ćete jesti napolju, ako ne planirate da date napojnicu, onda udarite u lokalne Mickei D's, neće ih briga.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If I owned the place I would have at least talked to the customer. I would explain that none of my staff wants to wait on you because you don't leave tips and thats what they are serving you for, then if they still refused to tip I would tell that person they are no longer welcome because it's causing conflict with my employees!

    Da sam vlasnik mesta, bar bih razgovarao sa mušterijama. Objasnio bih da niko od mog osoblja ne želi da vas čeka jer ne ostavljate napojnice i zato vam služe, a ako i dalje odbijaju da daju napojnicu, rekao bih toj osobi da više nije dobrodošao jer izaziva sukob sa mojim zaposlenima!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Wait staff make less than minimum wage and depend on tips for their income. They are also required by IRS law to pay taxes on 8% of sales so when someone does not tip, the server still pays income taxes on the person's meal. 

    I think it is the business owner's right to ban a patron especially since the restaurant owner is not providing a unique service. There are thousands of other restaurants this person can frequent and if they do not want to tip, they should order carryout or eat at places that are not full service rather than using a service that they don't want to pay for.

    Osoblje za čekanje zarađuje manje od minimalne plate i zavise od napojnica za svoje prihode. Po zakonu IRS od njih se takođe zahteva da plaćaju porez na 8% prodaje, tako da kada neko ne daje napojnicu, server i dalje plaća porez na prihod na obrok te osobe.

    Mislim da je pravo vlasnika preduzeća da zabrani pokrovitelja, pogotovo zato što vlasnik restorana ne pruža jedinstvenu uslugu. Postoje hiljade drugih restorana koje ova osoba može da posećuje i ako ne žele da daju napojnicu, trebalo bi da naruče iznošenje ili jedu na mestima koja nemaju punu uslugu umesto da koriste uslugu koju ne žele da plate.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Kick the dead-beat out of the resturant.  We have reached a point where people think eating out is an entitlement.  If you can't tip, please stay home or bag your lunch.

    Izbacite mrtvog ritma iz restorana. Došli smo do tačke u kojoj ljudi misle da jedenje van kuće ima pravo. Ako ne možete da napojite, ostanite kod kuće ili pakujte svoj ručak.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    totally agree with you on this, lol, only Lord knows what a disgrunted staff put in her food.  Imagine that they catch a fly and cut into pieces and put in her food, dam, she will swallow million and million of viruses.  Dont mess with the food handlers, lol.




    Tipping, as far as I know, is voluntary.  Should she be banned?  No.  She's still a paying customer.  Of course, Lord only knows what the disgruntled staff is putting in her sandwich....

    potpuno se slažem sa tobom u vezi ovoga, lol, samo Gospod zna šta je nezadovoljno osoblje stavilo u njenu hranu. Zamislite da uhvate muvu i iseku je na komade i stave joj hranu, brana, progutaće milion i milion virusa. Ne petljaj se sa rukovaocima hranom, lol.




    Bakšiš je, koliko ja znam, dobrovoljan. Treba li je zabraniti? Ne. Ona još uvek plaća. Naravno, samo Gospod zna šta joj nezadovoljno osoblje stavlja u sendvič...
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I agree with arizonadback, I do know that waiters/waitresses do pay the tax regardless.  But like satan said, try to talk to her, I guess we will never know if the owner tried that.

    Even if I get horrible service I still leave something. 

    Like gene said, go to Mickey D's if you don't plan on tipping! hehe

    Slažem se sa Arizonadbackom, znam da konobari/konobarice plaćaju porez bez obzira na to. Ali kao što je satana rekao, pokušajte da razgovarate sa njom, valjda nikada nećemo saznati da li je vlasnik to pokušao.

    Čak i ako dobijem užasnu uslugu, ipak ostavim nešto.

    Kao što je gen rekao, idi u Mickei D's ako ne planiraš da daš bakšiš! hehe

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think this is a multifold question/answer...

    On one hand, you say she frequents the place a few days a week.  We do not have all the variables here...is this woman old, living on a fixed income?  Maybe she likes to have a good meal, but can't cook for herself, and cannot afford to eat there daily and tip.

    On the other hand...as you say it although it is not a legal issue, i certainly do not think it a moral one either.  Whether or not I tip someone hardly increases/decreases my moral fortitude.

    I do believe however that all restaurant staff deserve a good tip.  Any restaurant of any calibre would have a specified gratuity requirement on the bottom of the check, or somewhere the patron would understand, that is part of the dealio...you want service...you have to tip. 

    You cannot depend on an implied tip, because there are always those that do not tip, right or wrong.

    I feel that the restaurant owner has done this woman an injustice by banning her from the restaurant.  If he was true to his field,  customer service is #1, and he should have taken the woman aside and found out exactly what her situation is, and gone from there.

    If it is a money matter, then he should have continued serving the customer, even if he had to wait on her himself.  His waitstaff gets paid from tips, he does not.  He should have just treated her as a special case, since she comes in all week, and it was probably more like her place to come home for dinner, than a restaurant.

      Nal  sad

    Mislim da je ovo višestruko pitanje/odgovor...

    S jedne strane, kažete da ona posećuje mesto nekoliko dana u nedelji. Ovde nemamo sve varijable...da li je ova žena stara, živi od fiksnog prihoda? Možda voli da ima dobar obrok, ali ne može sama da kuva i ne može sebi da priušti da jede tamo svakodnevno i daje napojnicu.

    S druge strane...kako ti to kažeš, iako to nije pravno pitanje, ja sigurno ne mislim da je ni moralno. Bez obzira da li nekome dam napojnicu ili ne, teško da povećava/umanjuje moju moralnu snagu.

    Međutim, verujem da svo osoblje restorana zaslužuje dobru napojnicu. Svaki restoran bilo kog kalibra bi imao preciziran zahtev za napojnicu na dnu čeka, ili negde gde bi pokrovitelj razumeo, to je deo posla... želite uslugu... morate dati napojnicu.

    Ne možete se oslanjati na implicitnu napojnicu, jer uvek postoje oni koji ne daju bakšiš, tačni ili pogrešni.

    Osećam da je vlasnik restorana ovoj ženi učinio nepravdu time što joj je zabranio ulazak u restoran. Da je bio veran svom polju, služba za korisnike je broj 1, i trebalo je da odvede ženu na stranu i da sazna tačno kakva je njena situacija, i da ode odatle.

    Ako je u pitanju novac, onda je trebalo da nastavi da služi mušteriji, čak i ako je morao sam da je čeka. Njegovi konobari dobijaju napojnice, on ne. Trebalo je da je tretira kao poseban slučaj, pošto ona dolazi cele nedelje, i verovatno je više ličilo na njeno mesto da dođe kući na večeru, nego u restoran.

    Nal sad

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    nal...you have such a great mind....i love the way you think!    kiss

    na kraju...imaš tako sjajan um....volim način na koji razmišljaš! kiss

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The waitresses need the tips to survive! It is not okay to make 4 bucks an hour! I would ask the patron to try and waitress for an hour and see what it is really like! I use to waitress in my younger days while going to college so I know how tips are soooo important!

    Konobaricama su potrebni saveti da prežive! Nije u redu zarađivati 4 dolara na sat! Zamolio bih patrona da proba konobaricu na sat vremena i vidi kako je zaista! U mlađim danima sam konobarila dok sam išla na koledž, tako da znam koliko su napojnice tako važne!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Again, kick the dead-beat customer out.  She is treating the restuarant as an entitlement.  (Serve me for free!)

    Opet, izbacite mrtvog kupca. Ona tretira restoran kao pravo. (Poslužite me besplatno!)

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The waitresses need the tips to survive! It is not okay to make 4 bucks an hour! I would ask the patron to try and waitress for an hour and see what it is really like! I use to waitress in my younger days while going to college so I know how tips are soooo important!


    you know...i really am so sick of this winebag song.

    in the 70's i waitressed at brigham's...not a 5 star restaurant, and only made $2.64 waitress wages, but ended up making over $12.-$15 an hour
    with my tips.  That was a decent wage for a 16 year old, and for that time, certainly a decent wage.  Far exceeding minimum wage, that was probably only 4. something back then.  So I really don't think any waitress is hurting for money, if little debi, can make that kind of money at BRIGHAMS.

    Konobaricama su potrebni saveti da prežive! Nije u redu zarađivati 4 dolara na sat! Zamolio bih patrona da proba konobaricu na sat vremena i vidi kako je zaista! U mlađim danima sam konobarila dok sam išla na koledž, tako da znam koliko su napojnice tako važne!


    znaš... stvarno mi je muka od ove pesme sa vinom.

    70-ih sam konobario u Brigham's-u...ne restoran sa 5 zvezdica, i zarađivao sam samo 2,64 dolara za konobarice, ali sam na kraju zarađivao preko 12-15 dolara na sat
    sa mojim savetima. To je bila pristojna plata za 16-godišnjaka, a za to vreme svakako pristojna plata. Daleko iznad minimalne plate, to je tada verovatno iznosilo samo 4. nešto. Tako da zaista mislim da nijedna konobarica ne boli zbog novca, ako mala Debi može da zaradi toliki novac u BRIGHAMS-u.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think this is a multifold question/answer...

    On one hand, you say she frequents the place a few days a week.  We do not have all the variables here...is this woman old, living on a fixed income?  Maybe she likes to have a good meal, but can't cook for herself, and cannot afford to eat there daily and tip.

    On the other hand...as you say it although it is not a legal issue, i certainly do not think it a moral one either.  Whether or not I tip someone hardly increases/decreases my moral fortitude.

    I do believe however that all restaurant staff deserve a good tip.  Any restaurant of any calibre would have a specified gratuity requirement on the bottom of the check, or....................


    Nal...I just love what you said...
    I am just too simple when it comes to situation like this...
    It seems that this  woman is a faithful and regular customer which means great business-without regulars, difficult to continue the food business- maybe not so much to the servers but to the owner so instead of losing one more good customer and make everyone happy and be fair, I think this owner should pay the tips for her to his employees after customer leaves...he may lose some money from his pocket but he would still have his customer and his employees would continuously respect the customer and happy to give his/her best service then it brings more satisfied customers for the owner which means a better business for the future...(I wouldn't go talk to that customer ask why...it just doesn't feel right.)
    Just my thought...:)

    Mislim da je ovo višestruko pitanje/odgovor...

    S jedne strane, kažete da ona posećuje mesto nekoliko dana u nedelji. Ovde nemamo sve varijable...da li je ova žena stara, živi od fiksnog prihoda? Možda voli da ima dobar obrok, ali ne može sama da kuva i ne može sebi da priušti da jede tamo svakodnevno i daje napojnicu.

    S druge strane...kako vi to kažete, iako to nije pravno pitanje, ja sigurno ne mislim da je ni moralno. Bez obzira da li nekome dam napojnicu ili ne, teško da povećava/umanjuje moju moralnu snagu.

    Međutim, verujem da svo osoblje restorana zaslužuje dobru napojnicu. Svaki restoran bilo kog kalibra bi imao navedenu napojnicu na dnu čeka, ili ...................


    Nal...sviđa mi se to što si rekao...
    Previše sam jednostavan kada je u pitanju ovakva situacija...
    Čini se da je ova žena verna i redovna mušterija što znači odličan posao-bez stalnih, teško nastaviti posao sa hranom-možda ne toliko serverima koliko vlasniku pa umesto da izgubi još jednog dobrog kupca i obraduje sve budi fer, mislim da bi ovaj vlasnik trebao da plati napojnice za nju svojim zaposlenima nakon što mušterija ode...možda izgubi nešto novca iz svog džepa, ali bi i dalje imao svoju mušteriju i njegovi zaposleni bi stalno poštovali mušteriju i rado dali svoje /njena najbolja usluga onda donosi više zadovoljnih kupaca za vlasnika, što znači bolji posao za budućnost... (Ne bih išao da razgovaram sa tim klijentom da pitam zašto... to jednostavno nije u redu.)
    Samo moja misao... :)
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I am ALWAYS for the underdog... It is just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to one. grin

    Ja sam UVEK za autsajdera... To je samo moje mišljenje. Svako ima pravo na jedno. grin

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    The waitresses need the tips to survive! It is not okay to make 4 bucks an hour! I would ask the patron to try and waitress for an hour and see what it is really like! I use to waitress in my younger days while going to college so I know how tips are soooo important!
    I agree with you deb if the server does not get tipped then they dont get paid. They are basically working for free. Obviously she liked this place enough to go several times a week. This tells me she was happy with the service as well.

    If she had enough money to buy a meal......then she has enough money to tip! I think its down right cheap and rude not to tip good service. I think its a case of walk in my shoes for a day......and see how you would like it!!

    We all are out there trying to make ends meet. If every patron was like this woman......the servers would be homeless.

    Lips

    Konobaricama su potrebni saveti da prežive! Nije u redu zarađivati 4 dolara na sat! Zamolio bih patrona da proba konobaricu na sat vremena i vidi kako je zaista! U mlađim danima sam konobarila dok sam išla na koledž, tako da znam koliko su napojnice tako važne!
    Slažem se sa tobom, deb, ako server ne dobije napojnicu onda neće biti plaćen. Oni u osnovi rade besplatno. Očigledno joj se dopalo ovo mesto dovoljno da ide nekoliko puta nedeljno. Ovo mi govori da je i ona bila zadovoljna uslugom.

    Ako je imala dovoljno novca da kupi obrok......onda ima dovoljno novca za napojnicu! Mislim da je jeftino i nepristojno ne dati napojnicu za dobru uslugu. Mislim da je to slučaj da prošetam u mojim cipelama na jedan dan......i vidi kako bi ti se dopalo!!

    Svi smo tamo pokušavajući da sastavimo kraj s krajem. Da je svaki pokrovitelj kao ova žena......serveri bi bili beskućnici.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I am ALWAYS for the underdog... It is just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to one. grin


    i am too...what makes you think it isn't the woman who cannot afford to pay a tip?  i am just looking at it from both sides, not necessarily taking an opinion either way.

    Ja sam UVEK za autsajdera... To je samo moje mišljenje. Svako ima pravo na jedno. grin


    i ja sam...zašto misliš da žena nije ta koja ne može da priušti da plati napojnicu? Ja samo gledam na to sa obe strane, a ne obavezno uzimam mišljenje na bilo koji način.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/85499672.html


    This the video (In case some haven't seen the parties involved) the crux is, that they say "She's a bad tipper, I find it interesting they didn't ask the lady "How much DID you tip on average?"

    I have also gone around the net and I am seeing ALOT of people saying the same thing "If you won't tip decently for good service, then don't go there" or "The manager has the right to ban you for lousy tipping"

    Of course, if I had access to the fortune cookies...Then.......

    http://vvv.katu.com/home/video/85499672.html


    Ovaj video (U slučaju da neki nisu videli umešane strane) suština je u tome što oni kažu „Ona je loša kiper, zanimljivo mi je da nisu pitali damu „Koliko ste u proseku dali bakšiš?“

    Takođe sam obišao mrežu i viđam MNOGO ljudi koji govore istu stvar: „Ako ne daješ pristojno napojnicu za dobru uslugu, onda ne idi tamo“ ili „Menadžer ima pravo da te zabrani zbog loših napojnica "

    Naravno, da sam imao pristup kolačićima sudbine...Onda.......

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I love it........omg that would send shivers!!!!!

    You know damn well that peeps who don't tip......are eating God know's what. I won't even return food to the kitchen in fear of what the cooks will do to it!!

    Lips
    Sviđa mi se ........omg to bi izazvalo drhtavicu!!!!!

    Prokleto dobro znaš da pijunci koji ne daju napojnicu......jedu bogzna šta. Neću čak ni da vraćam hranu u kuhinju u strahu šta će joj kuvari uraditi!!

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ya, i am with you lips...people are gross.

    but did you listen to that video?  that lady was a bad tipper, not a NO tipper.

    ja sam sa tvojim usnama...ljudi su odvratni.

    ali da li ste slušali taj video? ta dama je bila loša kiper, a ne NE kiper.

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