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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Good day everyone, I had saved up some money for the 4th of July sales here in the U.S. ... but they didn't have what I wanted on sale. So, I have a little money at the same time I feel ready to test the tournament waters.

    This week, July 7-13, I will attempt a Roulette tournament and a weeklong set of Poker Tournament. I am curious how I will do ... I am very curious what I will learn in attempting such a thing. If I lose that money by the end of the week, I will not feel bad (no one wants to lose money) but I have set my budget and the experience should be worth it. And ... ummm ... there is the possibility I could win something [ hint: roulette is not a popular tournament game so there are less challengers and it seems to be the game I am best at ]. 

    I have been preparing for such things for awhile ... including buying my own card decks and poker chips so I could practice dealing the game(s) ... it gives a diffferent perspective.and understanding of the game. The only downside to all of this is it is digital tournaments online and not live play.

    I will try to report back my experience with the whole thing.  ... Oh, any tips and suggestions are welcome.

    Dobar dan svima, uštedeo sam nešto novca za rasprodaje 4. jula ovde u SAD... ali nisu imali ono što sam želeo na rasprodaji. Dakle, imam malo novca u isto vreme osećam se spreman da testiram vode turnira.

    Ove nedelje, od 7. do 13. jula, pokušaću da igram rulet turnir i nedeljni set Poker turnira. Radoznao sam kako ću... Veoma sam radoznao šta ću naučiti pokušavajući tako nešto. Ako izgubim taj novac do kraja nedelje, neću se osećati loše (niko ne želi da izgubi novac), ali sam postavio svoj budžet i iskustvo bi trebalo da bude vredno toga. I... hmmm... postoji mogućnost da nešto osvojim [nagoveštaj: rulet nije popularna turnirska igra, tako da ima manje izazivača i čini se da je to igra u kojoj sam najbolji].

    Pripremao sam se za takve stvari već neko vreme... uključujući kupovinu sopstvenih špilova karata i poker čipova kako bih mogao da vežbam da delim igru(e)... to daje drugačiju perspektivu.i razumevanje igre. Jedina mana svega ovoga je to što su digitalni turniri onlajn, a ne igra uživo.

    Pokušaću da iznesem svoje iskustvo sa čitavom stvari. ... Oh, svi saveti i predlozi su dobrodošli.

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    I wish you the best of luck and look forward to you sharing your experience with us :) .

    Želim vam puno sreće i radujem se što ćete podeliti svoje iskustvo sa nama :) .

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Day 1 is off to a great start.

    ROUTLETTE REPORT:  the competition is based on how many wins you have (not how much money you win) ... so the strategy is a lot of small bets. I entered with $100 ... I now stand at $103 ... but I am in 12th place which means I could also win $40 as a cash prize. --- This does not mean much as it is the start of a week long compeition ... but I am happy with results so far. --- interestingly, I realize I do not have to try for first place (which would entail a lot of risk because those first several places are making  al ot of bets) ... If I stay near the top ten to twenty, I still win some money [but that assumes I do not lose too much of my buy-in while playing].

    BLACKJACK REPORT:  Ummm ... because I paid to enter the roulette tournament, I qualify to play for the daily freeroll tournaments at the website for a month ... again, it may not mean much since the day is only half over, but I am in 7th place and could win 200 bonus chips ... which also need quite a large rollover to be made into cash. 

    POKER REPORT: Has not begun ... my credit card declined payment ... well, it is two international purchases close together ... I will probably have to verify I am actually making these purchases somehow.

    Prvi dan je odlično počeo.

    ROUTLETTE IZVEŠTAJ: takmičenje se zasniva na tome koliko pobeda imate (a ne koliko novca osvojite) ... tako da je strategija mnogo malih opklada. Učestvovao sam sa $100 ... sada stojim na $103 ... ali sam na 12. mestu što znači da bih takođe mogao da osvojim $40 kao novčanu nagradu. --- Ovo ne znači mnogo jer je početak jednonedeljnog takmičenja ... ali sam zadovoljan dosadašnjim rezultatima. --- interesantno, shvatam da ne moram da se trudim za prvo mesto (što bi podrazumevalo veliki rizik jer tih prvih nekoliko mesta pravi mnogo opklada) ... Ako ostanem blizu prvih deset do dvadeset, ja još uvek osvojim nešto novca [ali to pretpostavlja da ne izgubim previše svog bui-ina dok igram].

    BLACKJACK IZVEŠTAJ: Hmmm ... pošto sam platio da učestvujem na turniru na ruletu, kvalifikujem se da igram za dnevne freeroll turnire na veb stranici mesec dana ... opet, to možda ne znači mnogo pošto je dan tek pola gotov, ali Ja sam na 7. mestu i mogao bih da osvojim 200 bonus žetona ... za koje je takođe potrebno prilično veliko prevrtanje da bi se pretvorilo u keš.

    IZVEŠTAJ O POKERU: Nije počelo... moja kreditna kartica je odbila plaćanje... pa, to su dve međunarodne kupovine koje su blizu jedna drugoj... Verovatno ću morati da proverim da li zaista obavljam ove kupovine nekako.

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    DAY 2 has been rough:

    BLACKJACK:  I have watched these tournaments before and recognize they sit quietly a long time and then change drastically in the last few minutes. I tuned in at the end and sure enough, I was dropping in rank and about to lose any chance at a prize - so I chose to get in on the action. I made a big bet - dealer got blackjac. I doubled my bet - dealer had ace showing and got 19.  I bet everything I had left (two minutes left in the contest) - dealer got blackjack. Annoying, but it was a freeroll ... and there are more days to try.

    ROULETTE:  Wow ... my normal roulette play includes betting on green ... but the way you score points greatly inhibits playing green. I would have about 6 times my starting amount today as green came up 8 times in 40 spins. My original 100 is down to $64 ... but I am still holding on to about 12th place.

    POKER: Payment issue is not cleared up yet ... I am thinking of waiting for next week's poker tournament ... the roulette and freerolls are taking up more time than I had hoped.

    2. DAN je bio težak:

    BLEKJEK: Gledao sam ove turnire ranije i prepoznao sam da dugo sede mirno, a onda se drastično menjaju u poslednjih nekoliko minuta. Uključio sam se na kraju i sasvim sigurno, padao sam u rangu i spremao se da izgubim svaku šansu za nagradu - pa sam odlučio da se uključim u akciju. Napravio sam veliku opkladu - diler je dobio blackjac. Udvostručio sam opkladu - diler je pokazao keca i dobio 19. Kladio sam se na sve što mi je preostalo (još dva minuta do takmičenja) - diler je dobio blek džek. Iritantno, ali to je bio freeroll ... i ima još dana za isprobavanje.

    ROULET: Vau... moja normalna igra na ruletu uključuje klađenje na zeleno... ali način na koji postižete poene u velikoj meri sprečava igranje zelenog. Danas bih imao oko 6 puta veći od početnog iznosa, jer je zeleno bilo 8 puta u 40 okretaja. Mojih originalnih 100 je palo na 64 dolara ... ali još uvek se držim oko 12. mesta.

    POKER: Pitanje plaćanja još nije razjašnjeno ... Razmišljam da čekam poker turnir sledeće nedelje ... rulet i freeroll turniri oduzimaju više vremena nego što sam se nadao.

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    DAY 3 - Recovery Day

    ROULETTE:  I decided to be more aggressive and play for money as well as points. I am now at $103 dollars and have slipped a little to 16th place. Interestingly, if I do nothing the rest of the week, I could probably still win $30 cash prize. I am wondering if I did this each week (try to win 30) rather than go for #1 (a $120 prize) how many weeks I could go on and keep having that 30 to play in open casino each week. Going for #1 would require about 10X the amount of time I have already put into this competition - the top few players have an 'insane' number of plays and the numbers are even worse for the slots and poker tournaments.

    FREEROLLS: I did not get back into a winning position yet ... perhaps I was trying to gain too fast and took on too much risk ... slow continual building up is more my style, I just did not want to take the time.

    I am enjoying the experience and what I am learning in open competition ... but I do not enjoy the competitive aspect nor taking on the higher risks involved.

    3. DAN - Dan oporavka

    RULET: Odlučio sam da budem agresivniji i igram za novac i poene. Sada sam na 103 dolara i malo sam pao na 16. mesto. Zanimljivo je da ako ne uradim ništa ostatak nedelje, verovatno bih i dalje mogao da osvojim 30 dolara u novcu. Pitam se da li sam ovo radio svake nedelje (pokušao da osvojim 30) umesto da dobijem #1 (nagrada od 120 dolara), koliko nedelja bih mogao da nastavim i da nastavim da imam tih 30 da igram u otvorenom kazinu svake nedelje. Odlazak na #1 bi zahtevao oko 10 puta više vremena koje sam već uložio u ovo takmičenje - nekoliko najboljih igrača imaju 'lud' broj igranja, a brojke su još gore za slotove i poker turnire.

    FREEROLLS: Nisam se još vratio u pobedničku poziciju ... možda sam pokušavao da dobijem prebrzo i preuzeo previše rizika ... sporo kontinuirano izgrađivanje je više moj stil, samo nisam želeo da gubim vreme .

    Uživam u iskustvu i onome što učim na otvorenom takmičenju... ali ne uživam u takmičarskom aspektu niti preuzimam veće rizike.

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    What casino are you playing at?

    U kom kazinu igrate?

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    I am playing at SuperSlots.ag ... it is a sister site to WildCasion.ag and they are both basically sister sites to the casino section  of BetOnline.ag. They are not great sites by rating, but they are allowing me to play [I have mentioned in another thread the difficulties of playing while traveling for work - many sites do not liek someone playing from outside of their home state]. The tournaments and freerolls are an aggregate of members from all three sites.

    Igram na SuperSlots.ag ... to je sestrinska stranica VildCasion.ag-a i obe su u osnovi sestrinske stranice za kazino odeljak BetOnline.ag. Nisu sjajni sajtovi po rejtingu, ali mi dozvoljavaju da igram [spomenuo sam u drugoj temi poteškoće igranja dok putujem na posao – mnogim sajtovima se ne sviđa da neko igra van svoje matične države]. Turniri i freeroll turniri su skup članova sa sve tri lokacije.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Day 4 - going smoothly

    ROULETTE: I played a little bit today bas amount is up to $111 and moved up to 15th place ... I think I am satisfied trying to hold that position for the remainder of this week.

    FREEROLL: I am up in 6th place in the roulette freeroll ... once again, there are several hours left in the tournament and, due to errands, I am not sure I will be there at the end so I might get pushed out ... wait and see. Bonus chips to play with would be nice though.

    Dan 4 - ide glatko

    ROULETTE: Igrao sam malo danas, bas iznos je do $111 i popeo se na 15. mesto... Mislim da sam zadovoljan pokušavajući da zadržim tu poziciju do kraja ove nedelje.

    FREEROLL: Ja sam na 6. mestu na rulet freeroll turniru ... još jednom, ostalo je nekoliko sati do turnira i, zbog obaveza, nisam siguran da ću biti tamo na kraju pa bih mogao biti izbačen. .. sačekaj pa ćeš viditi. Bonus žetoni za igru bi ipak bili dobri.

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    DAY 5 - having fun

    ROULETTE:  I played just enough to keep myself at approximately 10th place ... this is satisfying for me ... now I am having to resist the urge to spend some of my winnings (not prize yet) in the casino as I am up $35 from what I deposited with a potential $40 prize coming.

    FREEROLL: I won 100 bonus chips - yay! play money. As far as bonuses go, this is a bad setup: only 7 days for 60X rollover, tables games only count 5%, and only certain slots are allowed (certainly not ones with progressive jackpots and maybe not the better slots in general). Still, it was free (although it did take some time). I am not sure what strategy to use ... but probably play table games to build the bankroll and use that to play low volatility slots.

    5. DAN - zabava

    RULET: Igrao sam tek toliko da se zadržim na otprilike 10. mestu ... ovo je zadovoljavajuće za mene ... sada moram da se oduprem želji da potrošim neke od svojih dobitaka (još ne nagradu) u kazinu dok sam napred 35 dolara od onoga što sam deponovao sa potencijalnom nagradom od 40 dolara.

    FREEROLL: Osvojio sam 100 bonus žetona - iai! igra novac. Što se tiče bonusa, ovo je loša postavka: samo 7 dana za 60Ks rollover, stolne igre se računaju samo 5%, a dozvoljeni su samo određeni slotovi (sigurno ne oni sa progresivnim džekpotovima i možda ne bolji slotovi uopšte). Ipak, bilo je besplatno (iako je trebalo neko vreme). Nisam siguran koju strategiju da koristim... ali verovatno igrajte stone igre da biste izgradili bankroll i iskoristili to za igranje slotova niske volatilnosti.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    DAY 6 - just taking care of business

    ROULETTE:  I played a little today, managed to move up a few spots - I think because it is the weekend and the other people were not playing.

    FREEROLL: The more I thought about it, the more I realized these are terrrible Bonus Requirements. This week I did not want to take the time it would take to slowly build a bankroll ... so I just played the slots directly hoping for a big win. I did not get it ... but I did get to try several new slots. As expected, the bonus funds went up a down a little bit, but overall slowly dwindled to nothing. 

    Tomorrow is last day for the tournaments ... I do not expect drastic changes in the last hours or minutes like the freerolls ... the scores are not adjusted quickly by big bets, but slowly by number of wins. So it is looking like a successful week.

    6. DAN - samo vođenje poslova

    RULET: Danas sam malo igrao, uspeo sam da se pomerim za nekoliko mesta - mislim zato što je vikend, a ostali nisu igrali.

    FREEROLL: Što sam više razmišljao o tome, više sam shvatao da su ovo strašni zahtevi za bonus. Ove nedelje nisam želeo da trošim vreme koje bi trebalo da polako izgradi bankrol... pa sam samo igrao slotove direktno nadajući se velikoj pobedi. Nisam ga dobio ... ali sam uspeo da isprobam nekoliko novih slotova. Kao što se očekivalo, sredstva bonusa su malo porasla, ali su se sve u svemu polako smanjila na ništa.

    Sutra je poslednji dan za turnire... Ne očekujem drastične promene u poslednjim satima ili minutima kao na freeroll turnirima... rezultati se ne prilagođavaju brzo velikim opkladama, već polako brojem pobeda. Tako da izgleda kao uspešna nedelja.

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    DAY 7 - coasting through

    Not going to try much today ... just sit back and enjoy a prize at the end of the day.

    I will probably try the tournament(s) again next week ... but I see no reason to keep on reporting ... this was a starting experiment.

    I might pick the thread back up when I try enetering the poker tournments for the first time ... but I am busy enough that I do not feel like it this week.

    7. DAN - prolazak

    Neću se mnogo truditi danas ... samo sedite i uživajte u nagradi na kraju dana.

    Verovatno ću probati turnir(e) ponovo sledeće nedelje... ali ne vidim razloga da nastavim da izveštavam... ovo je bio početni eksperiment.

    Možda ću ponovo pokrenuti temu kada pokušam da uđem na poker turnire po prvi put... ali sam dovoljno zauzet da mi se ove nedelje ne da.

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    Okay ... now I am venting ... 

    Last week I played multiple Cash Tournaments. The weekend ended surprisingly busy and I did not even bother to see the results ... I just knew that I probably won some money. On Sunday, I found $75 dollars had been added to my account. YAY!

    The next day, $40 dollars of that had disappeared. EEK!  

    I opened a chat. They said I had been credited $35 dollars. I showed them a couple screenshots I took showing the $75 dollars. Then they said it had been played on bonus games.  I started getting upset as I had not played any games (I was saving the money to re-invest in more cash tournaments).

    They ended it saying it would need to go to another team for further review and I would get an email within 24 hours with the response.

    At the moment, I would say avoid Superslots.ag (based out of Panama) ... and be wary of their sister sites Wildcasion.ag and Betonline.ag also based out of Panama.  I will write again later to let you know what their response is ... but considering their reviews, I am not hopeful.  I do not want to make a huge deal out of $40 dollars, but  if I do not get the funds, just on the principle of the matter I might open a case and ask LCB to help in the matter to let them know they cannot do this.

    End of rant.

    Okej... sada dajem vazduh...

    Prošle nedelje sam igrao više Cash turnira. Vikend se završio iznenađujuće naporno i nisam se ni potrudio da vidim rezultate... Samo sam znao da sam verovatno osvojio nešto novca. U nedelju sam otkrio da je 75 dolara dodato na moj račun. TO, BRE!

    Sledećeg dana, 40 dolara od toga je nestalo. EEK!

    Otvorio sam ćaskanje. Rekli su da mi je kreditirano 35 dolara. Pokazao sam im nekoliko snimaka ekrana koje sam napravio na kojima se vidi 75 dolara. Onda su rekli da se igrao na bonus igrama. Počeo sam da se uznemiravam jer nisam igrao nijednu igru (štedeo sam novac da ponovo uložim u više keš turnira).

    Završili su ga rekavši da će morati da ode drugom timu na dalji pregled i da ću u roku od 24 sata dobiti e-poruku sa odgovorom.

    U ovom trenutku, rekao bih da izbegavajte Superslots.ag (sa sedištem u Paname) ... i budite oprezni prema njihovim sestrinskim sajtovima Vildcasion.ag i Betonline.ag takođe sa sedištem u Paname. Pisaću ponovo kasnije da vam kažem kakav je njihov odgovor ... ali s obzirom na njihove kritike, ne nadam se. Ne želim da napravim veliki posao od 40 dolara, ali ako ne dobijem sredstva, samo po principu stvari, mogao bih da otvorim slučaj i zamolim LCB da pomogne u vezi sa tim kako bih im rekao da ne mogu da urade ovo.

    Kraj brbljanja.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Hello TryAgain,

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. If there are any changes, please update us and if you need our assistance, feel free to post a complaint.

    Good luck!

    Zdravo Pokušajte ponovo ,

    Hvala vam što ste nam skrenuli pažnju na ovo. Ako dođe do bilo kakvih promena, molimo vas da nas obavestite i ako vam je potrebna naša pomoć, slobodno pošaljite žalbu.

    Srećno!

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    Just as a formality in giving updates today: 

    I did receive an email requesting detailed information about the problem and any related screenshots. I returned that information and am now waiting again.

    I am calmer now and I realize that, whichever way this decision goes, I have gotten a lot of play, experience, and learning out of my original $100 dollar 'investment'. I like tournaments. I will have to decide how to continue venturing forward with this.

    Samo kao formalnost u davanju ažuriranja danas:

    Dobio sam e-poruku sa zahtevom za detaljne informacije o problemu i sve povezane snimke ekrana. Vratio sam tu informaciju i sada ponovo čekam.

    Sada sam smireniji i shvatam da, bez obzira na to na koji način ova odluka ide, dobio sam mnogo igre, iskustva i učenja od svoje prvobitne 'investicije' od 100 dolara. Volim turnire. Moraću da odlučim kako da nastavim dalje sa ovim.

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    DAY 2:  Waiting ... no contact either way about the missing money.

    DAN 2: Čeka se... nema kontakta u vezi nestalog novca.

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    Day 3: standard response

    I received and email stating "Be kindly informed that we have escalated your casino claim for further review to the designated team and you will be advised via email as soon as a solution is made.  "

    I doubt I will update this thread until I actually receive a response. I have no idea how long that will take.

    If it is negative, I doubt I will pursue it any further (with or without LCB's help). I can see I will not be staying with this casino long term. 

    Dan 3: standardni odgovor

    Primio sam i imejl u kome se navodi „Budi ljubazno obavešteni da smo eskalirali vaš zahtev za kazino na dalje razmatranje naznačenom timu i bićete obavešteni putem e-pošte čim se donese rešenje.“

    Sumnjam da ću ažurirati ovu temu dok zaista ne dobijem odgovor. Nemam pojma koliko će to trajati.

    Ako je negativan, sumnjam da ću ga nastaviti dalje (sa ili bez pomoći LCB-a). Vidim da neću dugo ostati u ovom kazinu.

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    Day 4: Anger

    Well ... I get an email basically stating there are no discrepencies and they are closing the case.

    No explanation of where $40 disappeared to.

    If I am remembering incorrectly or somehow accidentally played that moeny, I want to know on what game it went to. But I am almost positive I did not play it. Which suggests there was illegal activity on my account. Or they simply are hiding something.

    I wrote back again and stated I want the details on where the $40 dollars went or I will escalate things.  I guess that means dragging LCB into this and / or leaving them bad reviews on multiple sites.

    Dan 4: Bes

    Pa ... dobijam e-poštu u kojoj se navodi da nema neslaganja i da zatvaraju slučaj.

    Nema objašnjenja gde je nestalo 40 dolara.

    Ako se pogrešno sećam ili sam nekako slučajno odigrao taj novac, želim da znam na koju utakmicu je otišao. Ali skoro sam siguran da to nisam igrao. Što sugeriše da je bilo nezakonitih aktivnosti na mom nalogu. Ili jednostavno nešto kriju.

    Ponovo sam pisao i rekao da želim detalje o tome gde je otišlo 40 dolara ili ću eskalirati stvari. Pretpostavljam da to znači uvlačenje LCB-a u ovo i/ili ostavljanje loših recenzija na više sajtova.

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    DAY 6; ... Sigh ...

    I received another form email. They state that since I do not recall using the money, I need to give a lot of information about my ISP, devices ID, etc. so their security team can investigate.

    I don't want to do it. It is not worth the hassle. I have basically given up on SuperSlots except for finishing off any funds I have left [ the mystery $40 and a tentative 50-70 I will win from cash tournaments played earlier last week]. But I took the time and sent the information in ... I need to be sure I have followed this through properly before I post complaints against them.on multiple forums.

    DAN 6; ... Uzdah ...

    Dobio sam još jedan obrazac e-pošte. Oni navode da, pošto se ne sećam da sam koristio novac, moram da dam mnogo informacija o svom ISP-u, ID-u uređaja itd. kako bi njihov bezbednosni tim mogao da istraži.

    Ne želim to da radim. Nije vredno muke. U osnovi sam odustao od SuperSlotova osim što sam završio sva sredstva koja su mi ostala [misterija od 40 dolara i probnih 50-70 koje ću osvojiti na keš turnirima odigranim ranije prošle nedelje]. Ali odvojio sam vreme i poslao informacije... Moram da budem siguran da sam ovo pravilno pratio pre nego što postavim žalbe protiv njih.na više foruma.

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    Good luck. Will be interesting so see what comes of it.

    Srećno. Biće zanimljivo, pa vidite šta će biti od toga.

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