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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I was reading that story about "$1,000 stamps on Bingo machines"..

    A comment was posted.. "wait til we become addicted then tax the hell out of it"

    It's true cigarettes, liquor, gambling.. and even the little ones.. like candy..

    You have no choice, pay those high taxes or quit.. what does most of us choose to do, well actually its not even a choice, we are addicted so we pay it..

    What do you all think.. is someone smart as heck, or taking advantage of addictions?

    Čitao sam onu priču o „markama od 1.000 dolara na Bingo mašinama“.

    Postavljen je komentar.. "sačekajte da postanemo zavisnici, pa dođavola oporezujte"

    To su prave cigarete, piće, kockanje.. pa čak i mališani.. kao slatkiši..

    Nemate izbora, platite te visoke poreze ili odustanite.. šta većina nas bira da uradi, pa zapravo to nije ni izbor, mi smo zavisni pa to plaćamo..

    Šta mislite... da li je neko pametan do đavola ili koristi zavisnost?
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    this is as old as the hills...they are called sin taxes

    not funny... :'(

    ovo je staro koliko i brda... zovu se porezi na greh

    nije smešno... :'(

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    You're right it isn't funny at all..

    Never heard of "sin taxes" though til now..

    Most of us really don't even know what an addiction is til we experienced it, because when i first started cigs, coffee, even booze.. i had no idea how it was going to be, someone knew something..

    Did i mention the higher taxes on Coffee and fastfood?

    U pravu si, uopšte nije smešno..

    Nikada do sada nisam čuo za "porez na greh".

    Većina nas zaista i ne zna šta je zavisnost dok je ne iskusimo, jer kada sam prvi put počeo da pijem cigarete, kafu, čak i piće... nisam imao pojma kako će to biti, neko je nešto znao..

    Da li sam spomenuo veće poreze na kafu i brzu hranu?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Why tax ANYONE?  We have created giant/ expensive government systems that we cannot afford.  Obama and the Polosi Democrats just raised the debt ceiling to almost 15 trillion dollars.  What we owe is so large, that putting huge taxes on everyone would not raise enough money to satisfy our government's lust for spending. 

    Keep taxes low...including so called sin taxes.  And cut spending.

    Zašto BILO KOGA oporezovati? Stvorili smo ogromne/skupe vladine sisteme koje ne možemo priuštiti. Obama i Polosi demokrate su upravo podigli gornju granicu duga na skoro 15 biliona dolara. Ono što dugujemo je toliko veliko da stavljanje ogromnih poreza na sve ne bi prikupilo dovoljno novca da zadovolji želju naše vlade za potrošnjom.

    Držite poreze niskim... uključujući takozvane poreze na greh. I smanjiti potrošnju.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    You're right it isn't funny at all..

    Never heard of "sin taxes" though til now..

    Most of us really don't even know what an addiction is til we experienced it, because when i first started cigs, coffee, even booze.. i had no idea how it was going to be, someone knew something..

    Did i mention the higher taxes on Coffee and fastfood?




    guess i am older than i thought  grin grin grin grin

    next week i'll be even another freaken year older...hehehe  cool

    U pravu si, uopšte nije smešno..

    Nikada do sada nisam čuo za "porez na greh".

    Većina nas zaista i ne zna šta je zavisnost dok je ne iskusimo, jer kada sam prvi put počeo da pijem cigarete, kafu, čak i piće... nisam imao pojma kako će to biti, neko je nešto znao..

    Da li sam spomenuo veće poreze na kafu i brzu hranu?




    pretpostavljam da sam stariji nego što sam mislio gringringringrin

    sledeće nedelje biću još jednu nakazu godinu stariji...hehehe cool
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Why tax ANYONE?  We have created giant/ expensive government systems that we cannot afford.  Obama and the Polosi Democrats just raised the debt ceiling to almost 15 trillion dollars.  What we owe is so large, that putting huge taxes on everyone would not raise enough money to satisfy our government's lust for spending. 

    Keep taxes low...including so called sin taxes.  And cut spending.


    here here...my vote's with you

    NO TAXES...and can you please wipe out all the ones i owe from before?  grin

    Zašto BILO KOGA oporezovati? Stvorili smo ogromne/skupe vladine sisteme koje ne možemo priuštiti. Obama i Polosi demokrate su upravo podigli gornju granicu duga na skoro 15 biliona dolara. Ono što dugujemo je toliko veliko da stavljanje ogromnih poreza na sve ne bi prikupilo dovoljno novca da zadovolji želju naše vlade za potrošnjom.

    Držite poreze niskim... uključujući takozvane poreze na greh. I smanjiti potrošnju.


    evo ovde...moj glas je sa vama

    BEZ POREZA...i možete li molim vas izbrisati sve one koje dugujem od ranije? grin
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Nal.....YES...RETRO refunds!

    The government spends too much....and the citizens get zero.

    Nal.....DA...RETRO refundacije!

    Vlada previše troši....a građani dobijaju nulu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    oh THAT even sounds better!!  you definately have my vote  cool

    i owe from being audited... ::) ::) ::), silly me...

    talk about sin tax  grin grin grin

    o, TO čak bolje zvuči!! definitivno imate moj glas cool

    dugujem reviziju... ::) ::) ::), blesavo ja...

    govoriti o porezu na greh gringringrin

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    All I can say is thank goodness for P.A.Y.E. in the UK.

    Pay As You Earn.  We pay tax on our earnings, savings and anything else the govt. can think of but I'm thankful we get our income taxed at source because I know I would never save up to pay it at the end of the tax year.

    Can someone in the US tell me whether you pay tax on your earnings before you are paid your earnings or is it all taxed at the end of the tax year for you?

    blue

    Sve što mogu da kažem je hvala Bogu za PAIE u UK.

    Plaćajte kako zarađujete. Plaćamo porez na našu zaradu, ušteđevinu i sve ostalo državi. mogu da se setim, ali sam zahvalan što naš prihod oporezujemo na izvoru jer znam da nikada ne bih uštedeo da ga platim na kraju poreske godine.

    Može li neko u SAD da mi kaže da li plaćate porez na svoju zaradu pre nego što vam se isplati ili je za vas sve oporezovano na kraju poreske godine?

    Plavi

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Taxes are taken from our paychecks..
    Theres Federal, State (where aplicable) and Social Security..

    Tips are also taxed, if you are a tipped employee

    It is also set on how many dependents claimed and also your status.. like single, married, head of household, theres different rates you pay for those choices

    At the end of the year if you didn;t pay enough, you owe, if you over paid then your are owed

    Alot of people like myself like to over pay so at the end of the year we get that big tax refund

    Porezi se uzimaju iz naših plata..
    Postoji savezno, državno (gde je primenjivo) i socijalno osiguranje.

    Napojnice se takođe oporezuju, ako ste zaposleni koji daje napojnicu

    Takođe se određuje koliko je izdržavanih lica podnelo zahtev, kao i vaš status.. kao samac, oženjen, glava domaćinstva, postoje različite stope koje plaćate za te izbore

    Na kraju godine, ako niste platili dovoljno, dugujete, ako ste platili prekomerno onda ste dužni

    Mnogi ljudi poput mene vole da preplaćuju, tako da na kraju godine dobijemo veliki povraćaj poreza

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    So does that mean you have to pay tax on your earnings again at some point?

    I'm a bit confused by your tax laws.

    blue

    Dakle, da li to znači da morate ponovo da platite porez na svoju zaradu u nekom trenutku?

    Malo sam zbunjen tvojim poreskim zakonima.

    Plavi

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    All you paid in during your employment goes towards what you owe towards a total of the year.

    say you made 50,000 the tax on 50,000.. is 5,000.. you paid in 10,000 (taken from your check) you get the difference. If you paid, say only 3,000 you owe that difference of 2,000.
    This is only an example of straight tax paid.

    Theres alot of tax breaks we do get i can't really list them all, but the main and highest one is "earned income credit" that is usually for people with dependents, and the amount you get can wipe out what you owe and also end you with getting a refund.

    Sve što ste uplatili tokom svog zaposlenja ide na račun onoga što dugujete prema ukupnoj godini.

    recimo da ste zaradili 50.000 porez na 50.000.. je 5.000.. platili ste 10.000 (uzeto iz vašeg čeka) dobijate razliku. Ako ste platili, recite samo 3.000 dugujete tu razliku od 2.000.
    Ovo je samo primer direktnog plaćanja poreza.

    Postoji mnogo poreskih olakšica koje dobijamo, ne mogu ih baš sve nabrojati, ali glavna i najveća je „kredit za zarađeni prihod“ koji je obično za osobe sa izdržavanim licima, a iznos koji dobijete može da poništi ono što dugujete i takođe završiti sa povratom novca.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Imagin.ation? I am sending you my taxes to do.  wink

    I will no longer fear April 15th with you on my side.  You seem to have a good idea of how it works. I'll bring all my paperwork. It is here in the shoe box, some in the garage, some in the ...oh where did I put the rest of it.  Oh well, I dont need receipts do I?  laugh_out_loud 

    Seriously, anytime here in Michigan they need money? They tax the beer and the smokes.  If you give up one habit, they still get you on the other one. 

    The other thing they tax is gas. Like who doesn't need petro? We have one of the highest gas tax there is .

                                                                    PMM

    Imagin.ation? Šaljem vam svoje poreze da uradite. wink

    Neću se više plašiti 15. aprila sa vama na mojoj strani. Izgleda da imate dobru ideju kako to funkcioniše. Doneću svu svoju papirologiju. Ovde je u kutiji za cipele, neki u garaži, neki u ... oh gde sam stavio ostatak. Pa dobro, ne trebaju mi priznanice, zar ne? laugh_out_loud

    Ozbiljno, bilo kada ovde u Mičigenu im treba novac? Oni oporezuju pivo i dim. Ako odustanete od jedne navike, i dalje vas nateraju na drugu.

    Druga stvar koju oporezuju je gas. Kao kome ne treba petro? Imamo jedan od najvećih poreza na gas koji postoji.

    PMM

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Lol Pam

    I only explained the simple taxes, if i talked about the taxes on houses, property, cars, boats, owning your own business, business expenses, tipped employees, medical, higher pay brackets, you know all that crap.. she'd be even more confused..
    That was only a basic idea.. the more you own the more you pay and the less break you get.. its so sad..

    Not to mention the gas, cigs, booze, magazines, candy & chips, fastfood, and hot food you buy in stores.. its crazy!!!

    Lol Pam

    Objasnio sam samo jednostavne poreze, ako bih pričao o porezima na kuće, imovinu, automobile, čamce, posedovanje sopstvenog biznisa, poslovne troškove, davane napojnice, zdravstvo, viši platni razred, znate sve to sranje.. ona bi bila još zbunjeniji..
    To je bila samo osnovna ideja.. što više poseduješ to više plaćaš i manje pauze imaš.. tako je tužno..

    Da ne spominjem benzin, cigarete, piće, časopise, slatkiše i čips, brzu hranu i toplu hranu koju kupujete u prodavnicama.. to je ludo!!!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    All you paid in during your employment goes towards what you owe towards a total of the year.

    say you made 50,000 the tax on 50,000.. is 5,000.. you paid in 10,000 (taken from your check) you get the difference. If you paid, say only 3,000 you owe that difference of 2,000.
    This is only an example of straight tax paid.

    Theres alot of tax breaks we do get i can't really list them all, but the main and highest one is "earned income credit" that is usually for people with dependents, and the amount you get can wipe out what you owe and also end you with getting a refund.


    where do you live, you only pay 5000 tax on 50,000??  in need to live here..

    Sve što ste uplatili tokom svog zaposlenja ide na račun onoga što dugujete prema ukupnoj godini.

    recimo da ste zaradili 50.000 porez na 50.000.. je 5.000.. platili ste 10.000 (uzeto iz vašeg čeka) dobijate razliku. Ako ste platili, recite samo 3.000 dugujete tu razliku od 2.000.
    Ovo je samo primer direktnog plaćanja poreza.

    Postoji mnogo poreskih olakšica koje dobijamo, ne mogu ih baš sve nabrojati, ali glavna i najveća je „kredit za zarađeni prihod“ koji je obično za osobe sa izdržavanim licima, a iznos koji dobijete može da poništi ono što dugujete i takođe završiti sa povratom novca.


    gde živiš samo plaćaš 5000 poreza na 50000?? treba da živim ovde..
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    What i typed was only an example, it it not actual amounts..

    But here is the actual amount on 50,000 filing single 8,681.00
    filing head of household status on 50,000 is 7,346.00

    tongue

    Ono što sam uneo je samo primer, a ne stvarni iznosi..

    Ali evo stvarnog iznosa na 50.000, podnošenje pojedinačnih 8.681,00
    prijavljivanje statusa nosioca domaćinstva na 50.000 iznosi 7.346,00

    tongue

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Here in Vegas, and i don't know where else if you had big wins, the ones where you are hand paid and signed the tax form, if you have saved your ATM reciepts from the casino, showing how much you withdrew, you can claim wins agianst loses, making it even out.

    Ovde u Vegasu, i ne znam gde drugde da ste imali velike dobitke, one gde ste ručno plaćeni i potpisali poreski formular, ako ste sačuvali račune sa bankomata iz kazina, koji pokazuju koliko ste podigli, možete tvrdnja pobeđuje protiv gubi, čime se izjednačava.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Thanks Imagin.

    But then - and this is the other bit I don't get - you pay tax when you buy stuff.  Even a meal or just your normal shopping.  So for example - you spend $100 you pay an extra 6% on top of that when you get to the checkout.

    Whats that all about?

    Hvala Imagin.

    Ali onda - a ovo je druga stvar koju ne razumem - plaćate porez kada kupujete stvari. Čak i obrok ili samo uobičajena kupovina. Tako na primer - potrošite 100 dolara, plaćate dodatnih 6% na to kada stignete na kasu.

    Šta je to?

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Here in Vegas, and i don't know where else if you had big wins, the ones where you are hand paid and signed the tax form, if you have saved your ATM reciepts from the casino, showing how much you withdrew, you can claim wins agianst loses, making it even out.


    I had all my Casinos send my a Win/Loss Statement at the end of the year.
    This is another one of the advantages of using you comp card. 
    It records all your playing, and since this is a recording of based on amount
    wagered, it always comes out to your advantage at tax time, even if you won large amounts of money.

    Ovde u Vegasu, i ne znam gde drugde da ste imali velike dobitke, one gde ste ručno plaćeni i potpisali poreski formular, ako ste sačuvali račune sa bankomata iz kazina, koji pokazuju koliko ste podigli, možete tvrdnja pobeđuje protiv gubi, čime se izjednačava.


    Naterao sam da mi svi moji kazina pošalju izjavu o pobedama/gubicima na kraju godine.
    Ovo je još jedna od prednosti korišćenja vaše comp kartice.
    Snima sve vaše sviranje, a pošto je ovo snimak na osnovu količine
    ako se kladite, to vam uvek ide u korist u vreme poreza, čak i ako ste osvojili velike količine novca.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Food we are not taxed on, its non foods(uneditible items) and cooked foods (example soaps, shampoos, appliances, fastfoods) we are taxed on..

    How i can explain it to make it easy..

    You are taxed on a certain amount you make (this varies we know this, this is your yearly income) at the end of the year, there are deductions they take off, such as an amount for being single they have set a certain amount to deduct from your year that they have calulated being that is how much in taxes you already paid towards soaps, shampoos and other taxable items.. what you spend is calulated and is set, being married, head of household, single.. they all have different amounts set to deduct that is fugured for how much they beleive you have paid in the year, like people with children have to buy diapers they pay more taxes so as they get a tax break "earned income credit" they figure people without children don't have that extra expense of taxes..

    Hrana na koju nismo oporezovani, njena neprehrambena (neuredivi artikli) i kuvana hrana (npr. sapuni, šamponi, aparati, brza hrana) plaćamo porez.

    Kako da objasnim da bi bilo lakše..

    Vi ste oporezovani na određeni iznos koji zaradite (ovo se razlikuje, znamo ovo, ovo je vaš godišnji prihod) na kraju godine, postoje odbici koje skidaju, kao što je iznos za samac koji su odredili određeni iznos oduzmite od svoje godine koju su oni obračunali jer je to koliko ste poreza već platili na sapune, šampone i druge oporezive artikle.. ono što potrošite se obračunava i postavlja, ako ste u braku, glava domaćinstva, samac.. svi imaju različiti iznosi postavljeni da se odbiju za koji veruju koliko ste platili u godini, kao što ljudi sa decom moraju da kupe pelene, plaćaju više poreza, tako da kada dobiju poresku olakšicu „kredit za zarađeni prihod“ oni smatraju da ljudi bez dece ne nemam taj dodatni trošak poreza..

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    ye gods - it sounds very complex.

    Thank you Imagin and Tony for the explanations.  Its all a lot clearer now.

    blue

    vi bogovi - zvuči veoma složeno.

    Hvala Imaginu i Toniju na objašnjenjima. Sada je sve mnogo jasnije.

    Plavi

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski


    Here in Vegas, and i don't know where else if you had big wins, the ones where you are hand paid and signed the tax form, if you have saved your ATM reciepts from the casino, showing how much you withdrew, you can claim wins agianst loses, making it even out.


    I had all my Casinos send my a Win/Loss Statement at the end of the year.
    This is another one of the advantages of using you comp card. 
    It records all your playing, and since this is a recording of based on amount
    wagered, it always comes out to your advantage at tax time, even if you won large amounts of money.



    Yes exactly Nal.. so if you are a gambler its good to save those ATM receipts, and use comp cards, because if you hit a biggie, and hit alot of them you're paying biggie.. if you cannot show you paid just as much to win it.


    Ovde u Vegasu, i ne znam gde drugde da ste imali velike dobitke, one gde ste ručno plaćeni i potpisali poreski formular, ako ste sačuvali svoje račune na bankomatu iz kazina, koji pokazuju koliko ste podigli, možete tvrdnja pobeđuje protiv gubi, čime se izjednačava.


    Naterao sam da mi svi moji kazina pošalju izjavu o pobedama/gubicima na kraju godine.
    Ovo je još jedna od prednosti korišćenja vaše comp kartice.
    Snima sve vaše sviranje, a pošto je ovo snimak na osnovu količine
    ako se kladite, to vam uvek ide u korist u vreme poreza, čak i ako ste osvojili velike količine novca.



    Da, tačno Nal.. pa ako ste kockar, dobro je da sačuvate te račune na bankomatu i koristite komp kartice, jer ako pogodite veliki broj i pogodite mnogo njih, plaćate puno.. ako ne možete da pokažete da ste platili samo koliko da ga osvoji.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    For an example..

    if you are single and made 50,000, the standard deduction is 5,700 making it that you now are going to be taxed on 44,300.. which will reduce it

    That standard deduction is what they beleive you have paid during the year on taxes for a person being single

    Za primer..

    ako ste slobodni i zaradite 50.000, standardni odbitak je 5.700, što znači da ćete sada biti oporezovani na 44.300.. što će ga smanjiti

    Taj standardni odbitak je ono što oni veruju da ste platili tokom godine na poreze za osobu koja je sama

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If you beleive you have paid more then that as a single person, you can itemize your deduction.. meaning you need all receipts or just choose the standard, alot of people that own alot more things usually itemize

    Ako verujete da ste platili više od toga kao pojedinac, možete da navedete svoj odbitak.. što znači da su vam potrebni svi računi ili samo izaberite standard, mnogo ljudi koji poseduju mnogo više stvari obično navodi po stavkama

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski



    Here in Vegas, and i don't know where else if you had big wins, the ones where you are hand paid and signed the tax form, if you have saved your ATM reciepts from the casino, showing how much you withdrew, you can claim wins agianst loses, making it even out.


    I had all my Casinos send my a Win/Loss Statement at the end of the year.
    This is another one of the advantages of using you comp card. 
    It records all your playing, and since this is a recording of based on amount
    wagered, it always comes out to your advantage at tax time, even if you won large amounts of money.



    Yes exactly Nal.. so if you are a gambler its good to save those ATM receipts, and use comp cards, because if you hit a biggie, and hit alot of them you're paying biggie.. if you cannot show you paid just as much to win it.


    This is what I am trying to tell you...I won tons on large amounts of money, and never paid taxes on any of it, just based on the win/loss statements.  Amounts Wagered,  surpass always, and this shows as a LOSS.



    Ovde u Vegasu, i ne znam gde drugde da ste imali velike dobitke, one gde ste ručno plaćeni i potpisali poreski formular, ako ste sačuvali svoje račune na bankomatu iz kazina, koji pokazuju koliko ste podigli, možete tvrdnja pobeđuje protiv gubi, čime se izjednačava.


    Naterao sam da mi svi moji kazina pošalju izjavu o pobedama/gubicima na kraju godine.
    Ovo je još jedna od prednosti korišćenja vaše comp kartice.
    Snima sve vaše sviranje, a pošto je ovo snimak na osnovu količine
    ako se kladite, to vam uvek ide u korist u vreme poreza, čak i ako ste osvojili velike količine novca.



    Da, tačno Nal.. pa ako ste kockar, dobro je da sačuvate te račune na bankomatu i koristite komp kartice, jer ako pogodite veliki broj i pogodite mnogo njih, plaćate puno.. ako ne možete da pokažete da ste platili samo koliko da ga osvoji.


    Ovo je ono što pokušavam da vam kažem... Osvojio sam tone na velike količine novca, i nikada nisam platio porez ni na šta od toga, samo na osnovu izjava o pobedama/gubicima. Uloženi iznosi, uvek prevazilaze, a to se pokazuje kao GUBITAK.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    WE THE PEOPLE...we tax ourselves,we enslave ourselves, we degrade and dehumanize ourselves, we steal from ourselves,and we coward beneath ourselves. A government OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE...remember?

    MI NAROD...mi sami sebe oporezujemo,porobljavamo se, degradiramo i dehumanizujemo sebe,krademo od sebe i plašimo se ispod sebe. VLADA NARODA, ZA NAROD I OD NARODA...sećate se?

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