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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Hi Members,

    Some members have expressed interest in having a debate. In discussing a topic, opinions are welcome. Please keep in mind that they are just that, opinions from members. This debate is to not be taken personally. Attacking or insulting another member will not be accepted and bear in mind to respect different points of view.  Remember its ok to agree to disagree!!

    The American Dream

    What is the American dream? It is said to be a land of opportunity. It’s a country wherein every man or woman can succeed regardless of race, religion or family history. America is the land of prosperity, recognition, power, liberty and justice for all.

    But our we losing that American dream? We live in a society of materialistic worth. We live beyond our means. We are in deep credit card debt. It is said that most Americans are two paychecks away from filing bankruptcy if they were to lose their job.

    Is the American Dream just an illusion?

    Lips
    Zdravo članovi,

    Neki članovi su izrazili interesovanje za debatu. U diskusiji o nekoj temi mišljenja su dobrodošla. Imajte na umu da su to samo mišljenja članova. Ovu debatu ne treba uzimati lično. Napad ili vređanje drugog člana neće biti prihvaćeno i imajte na umu da poštujete različite tačke gledišta. Zapamtite da je u redu pristati da se ne slažete!!

    Američki san

    Šta je američki san? Kažu da je to zemlja mogućnosti. To je zemlja u kojoj svaki muškarac ili žena može uspeti bez obzira na rasu, veru ili porodičnu istoriju. Amerika je zemlja prosperiteta, priznanja, moći, slobode i pravde za sve.

    Ali gubimo li taj američki san? Živimo u društvu materijalističke vrednosti. Živimo iznad svojih mogućnosti. U velikim smo dugovima po kreditnim karticama. Kažu da je većina Amerikanaca dve plate udaljena od bankrota ako bi izgubili posao.

    Da li je američki san samo iluzija?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I agree the era of mom staying home while dad brought home the bacon is over. One of my favorite eras has to be the 50's when living that part of the American dream was alive and well.

    We have become so materialistic that we have lost sight of the institution of family. What i find interesting mariann, is the need to make reference about working woman "getting on you". It says it all. In todays society if a woman does not have a career and chooses to be a stay home mom she is considered to lack ambition.

    I have often said i wish i was in the era of the 50's when women proudly wore their apron and baked a hot apple pie. Took care of children and held the family together.

    How sad it is, those days are gone. Our roles as women have changed. I don't think we really had a choice. Keeping up with social and economical society we now live in makes it almost impossible for the middle class family.

    Lips
    Slažem se da je era u kojoj je mama ostajala kod kuće dok je tata donosio slaninu završena. Jedna od mojih omiljenih epoha mora biti 50-te kada je živeo taj deo američkog sna bio živ i zdrav.

    Postali smo toliko materijalistički da smo izgubili iz vida instituciju porodice. Ono što mi je interesantno, Mariann, je potreba da se napomenem o tome da se radna žena "dolazi na tebe". To sve govori. U današnjem društvu, ako žena nema karijeru i odluči da ostane kod kuće mama, smatra se da nema ambicije.

    Često sam govorio da bih voleo da sam u eri 50-ih kada su žene ponosno nosile kecelju i pekle toplu pitu od jabuka. Brinuo se o deci i održavao porodicu na okupu.

    Kako je tužno, prošli su ti dani. Naše uloge kao žena su se promenile. Mislim da zaista nismo imali izbora. Praćenje društvenog i ekonomskog društva u kojem sada živimo čini skoro nemogućim za porodicu srednje klase.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Also i beleive, since both parents are working, children growing up in a working family have changed and it has affected the society. Alot are without supervision, and are almost growing up on their own. Making choices and descions without adult mentors to advise them. So what's a child going to do but act like a child into adulthood. They join gangs for the togetherness and leadership. Parents are too tired to even interact. Theres so much more of the effects of both parents working as compared to stay at home parenting.
    So is the American Dream really worth it? We are losing our children in this sacrifce.

    Takođe verujem, pošto oba roditelja rade, deca koja odrastaju u radničkoj porodici su se promenila i to je uticalo na društvo. Mnogi su bez nadzora i skoro sami odrastaju. Donošenje odluka i odluka bez odraslih mentora koji bi ih savetovali. Dakle, šta će dete učiniti osim da se ponaša kao dete u odraslom dobu. Pridružuju se bandama radi zajedništva i vođstva. Roditelji su previše umorni da bi uopšte mogli da komuniciraju. Mnogo je više efekata rada oba roditelja u poređenju sa roditeljstvom koje ostaje kod kuće.
    Dakle, da li je američki san zaista vredan toga? Gubimo našu decu u ovoj žrtvi.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Thanks to Bush and Obama, the American dream has been put on hold for at least a generation.  Their wild spending and borrowing has created such a huge debt load that this will be the first generation ON RECORD that does worse, financially, than the one before.  Sad days.  Happiness will have to be without financial success....hmmmm...not a bad thing, though! 

    Zahvaljujući Bušu i Obami, američki san je stavljen na čekanje najmanje jednu generaciju. Njihova divlja potrošnja i zaduživanje je stvorilo tako ogroman teret duga da će ovo biti prva BILJEŽENA generacija koja je lošija, finansijski, od prethodne. Tužni dani. Sreća će morati da bude bez finansijskog uspeha....hmmmm...ipak nije loša stvar!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Basically we are working are butts off for nothing..? The only thing we can enjoy is eat and sleep, and barely that. Gas and food are so high as well.
    No one has a future?.. Some people are so troubled by our (americas) and their own debts they are having heartattacks and strokes, some are commiting suicide.
    Some are even going so far as getting into selling illegal merchandise (drugs and et el etc.), and we know why they do that, can't afford the taxes..

    U suštini mi radimo bezveze..? Jedino u čemu možemo da uživamo je da jedemo i spavamo, i to jedva. Gas i hrana su takođe visoki.
    Niko nema budućnost?.. Neki ljudi su toliko uznemireni našim (amerikama) i sopstvenim dugovima da imaju srčane i moždane udare, neki se ubijaju.
    Neki čak idu toliko daleko da se upuštaju u prodaju ilegalne robe (droge i sl.), a znamo zašto to rade, ne mogu da priušte porez.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Great topic lips. When you said that we are deep in credit card debt, that caught my attention. I am in banking and I must tell you that the federal regulations are becoming more stringent on banks to protect the consumer. I agree to a certain extent and many lenders have not been on the up and up but when does the responsibility fall on us as consumers? If I buy something I can't afford that is my problem. I shouldn't need the government to babysit me because I can't control myself. After all, you did say "we" are in debt.

    Odlična tema usne. Kada ste rekli da smo duboko u dugovima po kreditnim karticama, to je privuklo moju pažnju. Ja sam u bankarstvu i moram da vam kažem da savezni propisi postaju sve strožiji prema bankama kako bi zaštitili potrošača. Slažem se u izvesnoj meri i mnogi zajmodavci nisu bili u porastu, ali kada odgovornost pada na nas kao potrošače? Ako kupim nešto što ne mogu da priuštim, to je moj problem. Ne treba mi vlada da me čuva jer ne mogu da se kontrolišem. Na kraju krajeva, rekli ste "mi" smo dužni.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    grapeu.....well, the Government IS going to be baby sitting us.  They want to control the type cars we drive, how much money we make, how much electricity we use, how much health care we receive, etc.  The day of Big Brother has arrived. 

    grapeu.....pa, Vlada će nas čuvati. Oni žele da kontrolišu tip automobila koje vozimo, koliko novca zarađujemo, koliko struje koristimo, koliko zdravstvene zaštite dobijamo, itd. Stigao je dan Velikog brata.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Doc, what do you think would be the consequences by over stepping the boundaries the "babysitters" have been controlling us with?
    What if we all stopped using electricity, stop buying gas, screw it im not paying my taxes this year, and so forth.. They are depending on us therefore we are depending on ourselves. We are footing our own bill.

    P.S. We cannot predict the future, as far as buying something now we figured we could afford, (years of doing well and good credit) then unforseeningly a month later lose your job, had no way of knowing that would happen, little by little the middle class person goes into a debt he can't ever catch back up with. Late fees, interest fees and whatever else kind of fees are added, you can't keep above water.

    Doktore, šta mislite kakve bi bile posledice prekoračenja granica kojima su nas kontrolisale "bebisiterice"?
    Šta ako svi prestanemo da koristimo struju, prestanemo da kupujemo gas, jebi ga da mi ne plaćam porez ove godine, i tako dalje.. Oni zavise od nas pa mi zavisimo od sebe. Mi sami plaćamo svoj račun.

    PS Ne možemo da predvidimo budućnost, što se tiče kupovine nečega sada za šta smo mislili da možemo da priuštimo, (godine dobrog poslovanja i kredita), a zatim nepredviđeno mesec dana kasnije izgubiti posao, nismo mogli da znamo da će se to desiti, malo po malo osoba srednje klase ulazi u dugove koje nikada ne može nadoknaditi. Naknade za kašnjenje, kamate i sve druge vrste naknada koje se dodaju, ne možete držati iznad vode.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    drpsyce38, the goverment IS going to be babysitting us? They already ARE.

    drpsice38, vlada će nas čuvati? Oni već JESU.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Imagin.ation, I have to comment on buying something now you thought you could afford.
    You are correct that we can't predict the future. That is why anytime we buy something with money we do not actually have, the potential that anything can happen should automatically enter our minds.

    Imagin.ation, moram da komentarišem kupovinu nečega za šta ste mislili da možete sebi da priuštite.
    U pravu ste da ne možemo predvideti budućnost. Zato kad god nešto kupimo novcem koji zapravo nemamo, potencijal da se bilo šta može desiti automatski bi nam ušao u glavu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I totally agree with you, Grapeu.

    Potpuno se slažem sa tobom, Grapeu.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    By the way, great topic, Lips.  grin

    Usput, odlična tema, Usne. grin

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Then why even bother with credit? Credit is depending on future..
    Future depends on us
    Paying our bills and getting that a1 credit is a goal we work for..
    We can't always just think something like that is going to happen, we think
    it will not happen, it does and we end in debt with fees fees fees, who gets those fees, what are they for, we just take it for granted and figure
    200.00 in fees is for paperwork, processing, and to hear someone call us up with if you pay 1000.00 now on a card you only used 500.00 in real credit it will bring you just below the deep end of the water, cards are frozen you can't use them any longer, but you are continueing with bookoo fees..
    The credit thing is crazy and out of control, why is it..?
    Credit depends on future, future depends on keeping your job and paying the bills, paying the bills gives you credit and a future.
    The cycle.. we need to recycle our own systems..


    P.S. I myself have been in the situation, luckily i got out of debt, but i have a friend that is in misery, and she was way well off then i was..

    Zašto se onda uopšte mučiti sa kreditima? Kredit zavisi od budućnosti..
    Budućnost zavisi od nas
    Plaćanje naših računa i dobijanje kredita a1 je cilj za koji radimo.
    Ne možemo uvek samo da mislimo da će se tako nešto dogoditi, mislimo
    neće se desiti, dešava se i završimo u dugovima sa taksama, naknadama, naknadama, ko dobija te naknade, čemu služe, samo uzimamo zdravo za gotovo i računamo
    Naknada od 200,00 je za papirologiju, obradu i da čujete da nas neko zove ako sada platite 1000,00 na kartici koju ste koristili samo 500,00 u stvarnom kreditu, to će vas dovesti tik ispod dubine, kartice su zamrznute možete ne koristite ih više, ali nastavljate sa bookoo naknadama..
    Kreditna stvar je luda i van kontrole, zašto je...?
    Kredit zavisi od budućnosti, budućnost zavisi od zadržavanja posla i plaćanja računa, plaćanje računa daje vam kredit i budućnost.
    Ciklus.. moramo da recikliramo naše sopstvene sisteme..


    PS I sama sam bila u situaciji, srećom sam se izvukla iz dugova, ali imam prijateljicu koja je u bedi, i ona je bila dosta dobro nego ja..

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    I think the problem with our country is we have no choice but to have credit card debt. Want to buy a house? Ya better have a credit card. Want to buy a new car? Ya better have a credit card. Want to rent a movie........reserve a hotel room.....rent a car....... Ya better have a credit card.

    We are conditioned to believe that the only way to survive is to have credit card debt. I know when i paid off my credit card debt i was adviced to keep charging!! Why? To keep a credit history. Without a credit history your a good as dead in the water as far as making a major purchase.

    This is why we are in the condition we are in. The government shoves down our throats to charge charge charge!! We are not given a choice......where is the freedom in that?

    Lips
    Mislim da je problem naše zemlje u tome što nemamo drugog izbora osim da imamo dug po kreditnoj kartici. Želite da kupite kuću? Bolje da imate kreditnu karticu. Želite da kupite novi automobil? Bolje da imate kreditnu karticu. Želite da iznajmite film........rezervišite hotelsku sobu.....iznajmite auto....... Bolje da imate kreditnu karticu.

    Uslovljeni smo da verujemo da je jedini način da preživimo dug na kreditnoj kartici. Znam kada sam otplatio dug po kreditnoj kartici, savetovali su mi da nastavim da naplaćujem!! Zašto? Za čuvanje kreditne istorije. Bez kreditne istorije, dobar ste u vodi što se tiče veće kupovine.

    Zbog toga smo u stanju u kom se nalazimo. Vlada nam gura u grlo da naplati naplatu!! Nije nam dat izbor......gde je tu sloboda?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    One of my casinos just offered me  $5000. in credit....

    What the heck do you think of that??  Talk about the downfall of America.

    Jedan od mojih kazina mi je upravo ponudio 5000 dolara. u plusu....

    Šta dođavola misliš o tome?? Razgovarajte o propasti Amerike.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

       I have found that the American dream has changed from when the founders fought to create this country that their fight was basically for the greater good of all.
        In today's society it is for the greater good of oneself. Let your neighbor suffer as long as you are not. It's now what can "I" achieve not what can we achieve. Just recently, I was talking , more like arguing with my 19 year old nephew and his girlfriend about this sort of thing. What really hit me was their beliefs that their rights in this country is to live the dream by only worrying about themselves and if people are losing their jobs its not their problem those people should go get another or two jobs or even three if they have to to support their families. Those peoples misfortunes are their own problems not theirs.
        This is where our country is going wrong.People need to stop only thinking of their own survival and others dint matter. Too many times people like that get into high positions like CEO's. People who take what they need or want and dint care about the people who work for them.
        Greed runs this country not the people. Wars are created to make money, people are laid off to assure the greedy ones get theirs, insurance companies deny to keep cash flowwing, and yes banks create credit cards to charge their interest for their upper management.
        If you seen all CEO's live with 30% less than what they get, there would be more people working and making better money

    Otkrio sam da se američki san promenio od kada su se osnivači borili da stvore ovu zemlju, da je njihova borba u osnovi bila za veće dobro svih.
    U današnjem društvu to je za veće dobro. Neka strada tvoj bližnji sve dok nisi. Sada je ono što "ja" mogu postići, a ne ono što možemo postići. Nedavno sam razgovarao, više kao da se svađam sa svojim 19-godišnjim nećakom i njegovom devojkom o ovakvim stvarima. Ono što me je zaista pogodilo bila su njihova uverenja da su njihova prava u ovoj zemlji da žive svoj san brinući samo o sebi i ako ljudi gube posao nije njihov problem, ti ljudi bi trebalo da odu da dobiju još jedan ili dva posla ili čak tri ako moraju da izdržavaju svoje porodice. Nesreće tih naroda su njihovi problemi, a ne njihovi.
    Ovde naša zemlja ide pogrešno. Ljudi treba da prestanu da misle samo na sopstveni opstanak, a drugi nisu bitni. Previše puta takvi ljudi dođu na visoke pozicije poput generalnih direktora. Ljudi koji uzimaju ono što im treba ili žele i ne brinu o ljudima koji rade za njih.
    Pohlepa upravlja ovom zemljom, a ne ljudi. Ratovi su stvoreni da bi zaradili novac, ljudi su otpušteni da bi se osiguralo da pohlepni dobiju svoje, osiguravajuće kompanije odbijaju da održavaju priliv novca, i da, banke kreiraju kreditne kartice da naplaćuju svoje kamate za svoje više rukovodstvo.
    Ako vidite sve generalne direktore uživo sa 30% manje od onoga što dobijaju, bilo bi više ljudi koji rade i zarađuju bolje

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Credit is the future, it depends on it..
    We cannot predict the future, therefore.. Credit is not some kind of nestegg we work our butts off to have, credit takes our future and flushes our life away. Credit is the working persons prison.. you are marked for it.
    We have no choice.. this cycle we are stuck in so why penalize those that cannot pay do to job loss or anything else unpredictable, credit wants us to default? Is it expected?



    Louiseff.. you are right GREED and FEEEEEES!!!

    Kredit je budućnost, zavisi od toga..
    Ne možemo da predvidimo budućnost, dakle.. Kredit nije neka vrsta gnezda za kojim se trudimo da imamo, kredit nam oduzima budućnost i ispira život. Kredit je zatvor za radna lica.. za to ste označeni.
    Nemamo izbora.. u ovom ciklusu smo zaglavili, pa zašto kažnjavati one koji ne mogu da plate gubitak posla ili bilo šta drugo nepredvidivo, kredit želi da mi platimo? Da li se to očekuje?



    Louiseff.. u pravu si POHLEPA i FEEEEEES!!!

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Louiseff.  I have to agree with you 100% on the greed point!  I think a big part of the current economic problem stems from greed.

    Now, where I might diverge a bit from your point is your quickness to blame CEOs.  Yes, some have been greedy, greedy, greedy.  But MORE people were greedy and bought houses they could not afford, or took out lines of credit they could not afford.  Yes, the banks gave those loans out (the idiots!)  but people are not mindless creatures.  Good decisions have to be made.

    Thanks to people like Dictator Obama, we have a blame game going on focusing on a few greedy CEOS.  Where is the accountability for average citizens living within their means?  Where is the accountability of our government borrowing trillions of dollars?  Even if we taxed the "greedy CEOs" at 90% the revenue would be a drop in the sea compared to the trillions in debt we are racking up.

    Louiseff. Moram da se složim sa tobom 100% po pitanju pohlepe! Mislim da veliki deo trenutnog ekonomskog problema potiče od pohlepe.

    Sada, ono što bih mogao malo odstupiti od vaše tačke je vaša brzina da krivite izvršne direktore. Da, neki su bili pohlepni, pohlepni, pohlepni. Ali VIŠE ljudi je bilo pohlepno i kupovalo je kuće koje nisu mogli da priušte, ili uzimalo kreditne linije koje nisu mogli da priušte. Da, banke su davale te kredite (idioti!), ali ljudi nisu bezumna stvorenja. Moraju se doneti dobre odluke.

    Zahvaljujući ljudima kao što je diktator Obama, imamo igru okrivljavanja koja se fokusira na nekoliko pohlepnih izvršnih direktora. Gde je odgovornost za prosečne građane koji žive u okviru svojih mogućnosti? Gde je odgovornost naše vlade koja zadužuje trilione dolara? Čak i kada bismo oporezovali "pohlepne izvršne direktore" sa 90 odsto, prihod bi bio kap u moru u poređenju sa trilionima dugova koje nagomilavamo.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    If our legistrators, CEOS, presidents, and who ever else is up their collar in our government with their undeserved wages, took just a half of wage cut, gave that half back to america, and paid proper taxes (ahem) it could probably settle half our debt cheesy

    Bring them to our level, let them see what it is REALLY like.

    Ako bi naši zakonodavci, izvršni direktori, predsednici, i ko god drugi, u našoj vladi sa svojim nezasluženim platama, uzeli samo polovinu smanjenja plata, vratili tu polovinu Americi i platili odgovarajuće poreze (hem), verovatno bi to moglo da se reši pola našeg duga cheesy

    Dovedite ih na naš nivo, neka vide kako je STVARNO.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

        My mom always told me history repeats itself. Dig into the history of the world and look at all sides of governments, wars, buisness. You will see these problems we face are not the first but the first for OUR generation. Same problems just a different year.
        We humans are destined to repeat our mistakes no matter how much lower class humans scream, vote and protest.

    Mama mi je uvek govorila da se istorija ponavlja. Kopajte po istoriji sveta i pogledajte sve strane vlada, ratova, biznisa. Videćete da ovi problemi sa kojima se suočavamo nisu prvi već prvi za NAŠU generaciju. Isti problemi, samo druga godina.
    Nama ljudima je suđeno da ponavljamo svoje greške ma koliko ljudi niže klase vrištali, glasali i protestovali.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Louiseff.  I have to agree with you 100% on the greed point!  I think a big part of the current economic problem stems from greed.

    Now, where I might diverge a bit from your point is your quickness to blame CEOs.  Yes, some have been greedy, greedy, greedy.  But MORE people were greedy and bought houses they could not afford, or took out lines of credit they could not afford.  Yes, the banks gave those loans out (the idiots!)  but people are not mindless creatures.  Good decisions have to be made.

    Thanks to people like Dictator Obama, we have a blame game going on focusing on a few greedy CEOS.  Where is the accountability for average citizens living within their means?  Where is the accountability of our government borrowing trillions of dollars?  Even if we taxed the "greedy CEOs" at 90% the revenue would be a drop in the sea compared to the trillions in debt we are racking up.
         Im sorry but do you not remember Bush borrowed money for a war? Obama borrows for the people!  HHHHMMMM!  Big difference there. Dont believe me about Bush? Check your history! Also the projected debt would be gone by this year and Bush led us into the highest debt we have seen since Reagan. So when you start in debt for a war that didnt make money like Bush had planned unfortunatly you have to borrow to save people who are suffering. Even if it means bailing out banks and car companies so more people dont lose their homes and their jobs. It was for the good of THE PEOPLE.

    Louiseff. Moram da se složim sa tobom 100% po pitanju pohlepe! Mislim da veliki deo trenutnog ekonomskog problema potiče od pohlepe.

    Sada, ono što bih mogao malo odstupiti od vaše tačke je vaša brzina da krivite izvršne direktore. Da, neki su bili pohlepni, pohlepni, pohlepni. Ali VIŠE ljudi je bilo pohlepno i kupovalo je kuće koje nisu mogli da priušte, ili uzimalo kreditne linije koje nisu mogli da priušte. Da, banke su davale te kredite (idioti!), ali ljudi nisu bezumna stvorenja. Moraju se doneti dobre odluke.

    Zahvaljujući ljudima kao što je diktator Obama, imamo igru okrivljavanja koja se fokusira na nekoliko pohlepnih izvršnih direktora. Gde je odgovornost za prosečne građane koji žive u okviru svojih mogućnosti? Gde je odgovornost naše vlade koja zadužuje trilione dolara? Čak i kada bismo oporezovali "pohlepne izvršne direktore" sa 90 odsto, prihod bi bio kap u moru u poređenju sa trilionima dugova koje nagomilavamo.
    Žao mi je, ali zar se ne sećate da je Buš pozajmio novac za rat? Obama pozajmljuje za narod! HHHHMMMM! Tu je velika razlika. Ne verujete mi za Buša? Proverite svoju istoriju! Takođe bi planirani dug nestao do ove godine i Buš nas je doveo do najvećeg duga koji smo videli od Regana. Dakle, kada počnete da dugujete za rat koji nije zaradio novac kao što je Buš planirao, nažalost, morate da pozajmite da biste spasili ljude koji pate. Čak i ako to znači spasavanje banaka i automobilskih kompanija kako više ljudi ne bi izgubilo svoje domove i posao. To je bilo za dobro NARODA.
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    Louiseff....well....keep in mind, I am no Bush fan!  He was an economy wrecker, too.  I blame him as much as Obama.  So, the old "Bush was WORSE" is pretty moot.

    Bush's largest deficit was $400 billion.....which is TOO high.  Obama = $1.4 trillion.

    One is hard pressed to find anyone Obama's wild borrowing and spending have benefited, save Wall Street firms and assorted government workers. 

    Louiseff...pa....imajte na umu, ja nisam obožavatelj Busha! Bio je i ekonomista. Krivim ga koliko i Obamu. Dakle, stari "Buš je bio GORI" je prilično sporan.

    Bušov najveći deficit bio je 400 milijardi dolara.....što je PREvisoko. Obama = 1,4 triliona dolara.

    Teško je pronaći bilo koga kome je Obamino divlje zaduživanje i potrošnja koristilo, osim firmi sa Volstrita i raznih državnih radnika.

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    Imagination....
    If we took 90% of all CEOs pay in tax, it would be TINY compared to the deficit that Dictator Obama is racking up.

    Under Obama you will:
    Be paying for taxes and fees.
    Be paying more for energy.
    More for health insurance.
    Rationed health care.

    And Obama said unemployment would stop at 8% under his WONDERFUL Stimulas package.  Hmmmm...its 10% now with no end in sight.

    Already tires cost more for your car, up 20% due to Obama's direct policy.  Just tires, yes, but a herbinger of things to come.....

    Keep buying gold, folks.  The Obama Depression is coming.  And folks, I am a Democrat!  lol

    Mašta....
    Kada bismo uzeli 90% svih izvršnih direktora koji plaćaju porez, to bi bilo MRAVNO u poređenju sa deficitom koji diktator Obama pravi.

    Pod Obamom ćete:
    Plaćajte poreze i naknade.
    Plaćajte više za energiju.
    Više za zdravstveno osiguranje.
    Racionirana zdravstvena zaštita.

    A Obama je rekao da će se nezaposlenost zaustaviti na 8% pod njegovim DIVNIM paketom podsticaja. Hmmmm... sada je 10% bez kraja.

    Gume već koštaju više za vaš automobil, 20% više zbog Obamine direktne politike. Samo gume, da, ali predznak stvari koje dolaze.....

    Nastavite da kupujete zlato, ljudi. Dolazi Obamina depresija. I ljudi, ja sam demokrata! lol

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        i don't want to get in a big thing with anyone , but drpsyce38 it sounds to me like you don't have the complete story but just partial facts . And your using parts to try to make your argument . 
        Now that being said I'm not pro Bush or Obama . Yes when Bush left office there was a debt of 400 billion , but that's not all that was left during his term is when all the bad mortgages  were handed out .  which led to a globale recession . Now Obama comes along and he has to try to stimulate the economy so the money he puts in would have had to be done by anyone else in his position . Now I'm not saying the way he is trying  stimulate the economy is right . I believe he's f***d up big . But there hasn't been enough time gone by yet to see the full affect of his stimulate package .

    Ne želim da ulazim u veliku stvar ni sa kim, ali drpsice38 zvuči mi kao da nemaš kompletnu priču već samo delimične činjenice. I koristite delove da pokušate da iznesete svoj argument.
    Sada kada se kaže da nisam za Buša ili Obamu. Da kada je Buš otišao sa funkcije postojao je dug od 400 milijardi, ali to nije sve što je ostalo tokom njegovog mandata je kada su sve loše hipoteke bile podeljene. što je dovelo do globalne recesije . Sada dolazi Obama i on mora da pokuša da stimuliše ekonomiju kako bi novac koji ulaže morao da uradi bilo ko drugi na njegovoj poziciji. Sada ne kažem da je način na koji on pokušava da stimuliše privredu ispravan. Verujem da je sjeban veliki. Ali još nije prošlo dovoljno vremena da se vidi pun efekat njegovog stimulativnog paketa.

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    bigjay....good points.

    But, there is little evidence the Stimulus has done much of anything.  What measurable has been stimulated?  Even a little bit?  One would think dumping billions into the economy, even in one year's time, would have an immediate up-tick SOMEWHERE.  What has blipped up, even in the slightest?

    bigjai....dobri poeni.

    Ali, malo je dokaza da je Stimulus učinio mnogo od bilo čega. Šta je merljivo stimulisano? Čak i malo? Čovek bi pomislio da bi bacanje milijardi u privredu, čak i za godinu dana, NEGDE imalo trenutni porast. Šta je buknulo, makar i najmanje?

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    you know when they first passed stimulate package  I thought it was garbage and wouldn't do much but I'm trying hold out to see how it does over a period of time . cause they did say it would not be a quick fix . but the reason i think it'll do little is  they did not put enough towards infrastructure . It will be blue workers that bring our country out of the recession . I think if Obama would have applied half the money he's put out so far to to our countries decaying infrastructure it would have been a win win all a way around . But theres a lot of people out there a lot smarter then me so hopefully I'm wrong and they have done so far is rightfor the countries sake

    znate kada su prvi put dali stimulativni paket, mislio sam da je to smeće i da neće mnogo učiniti, ali pokušavam da izdržim da vidim kako će to raditi tokom nekog vremenskog perioda. jer su rekli da to neće biti brzo rešenje. ali razlog zbog kojeg mislim da će to učiniti malo je što nisu uložili dovoljno u infrastrukturu. Plavi radnici će našu zemlju izvući iz recesije. Mislim da bi Obama uložio polovinu novca koji je do sada dao na infrastrukturu naših zemalja u propadanju, to bi bila pobeda u celosti. Ali ima mnogo ljudi koji su mnogo pametniji od mene, pa se nadam da grešim i da su do sada uradili ispravno za dobrobit zemalja

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    I want to say really quickly, we all got that stimulus check.. last year mmhmm, good idea there, give it to us, tell us to buy american made..
    What did we do..?
    We bought japanese, china, german, taiwan, mexico etc etc products lol
    How many of us bought american?
    They got rich off our stimulus sad

    But, really does anyone here have any good ideas that would help this trouble we are in, would a stimlus work for us to pay our debts?
    We have things to say about it, but how about some ideas?

    Želim da kažem veoma brzo, svi smo dobili tu proveru stimulansa.. prošle godine mmhmm, dobra ideja, dajte nam je, recite nam da kupimo američku proizvodnju..
    Šta smo uradili..?
    Kupili smo japanske, kineske, nemačke, tajvanske, meksičke itd. proizvode lol
    Koliko nas je kupilo američki?
    Obogatili su se na našem podsticaju sad

    Ali, da li zaista neko ovde ima neku dobru ideju koja bi pomogla u ovoj nevolji u kojoj se nalazimo, da li bi nam bio podsticaj da platimo svoje dugove?
    Imamo šta da kažemo o tome, ali šta kažete na neke ideje?

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        We will climb out of are recession it's just going to be a slow process . One key thing Obama has done so far was to stop the downward spiral that we were in . it's no quick fix it'll probably 4 to 6 years and even then we will never be back like we were before . But that's good our economy before was false puffed up and could not support it self

    Izaći ćemo iz recesije, to će biti samo spor proces. Jedna ključna stvar koju je Obama do sada uradio je da zaustavi silaznu spiralu u kojoj smo se nalazili. nije brzo rešenje, verovatno će proći 4 do 6 godina, a čak i tada se više nikada nećemo vratiti kao što smo bili pre. Ali dobro je da je naša ekonomija ranije bila lažno naduvana i nije mogla sama da se izdržava

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    bigjay......you are so RIGHT ON!  Where are the bridges, schools, roads, etc. they were going to build?????

    bigjai......ti si tako PRAVO! Gde su mostovi, škole, putevi itd. koji su hteli da grade?????

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    They are saving those areas for the windmills they want to build lol
    So we can have jobs in 5 years... we have to figure ways to conserve our energy resources for this glorious future we have coming

    Oni čuvaju te oblasti za vetrenjače koje žele da grade lol
    Tako da možemo imati poslove za 5 godina... moramo smisliti načine da sačuvamo naše energetske resurse za ovu slavnu budućnost koju dolazimo

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    Lot of comments thrown out at Obama. When he was elected we all had hopes for a better America. In all honesty don't you think he still does?

    The real question is why can't he make some of these changes that have been suggested here. I am wondering if he could........wouldn't he? What is going on inside that he can not divulge to the public.

    I can't help but feel that its beyond the American public's comprehension. It sounds so easy as citizens of this country to sit back and say he should do this or that and all will be resolved.

    But for every change is a domino effect. I think that is what we don't realize or even know about. I visualize Obama first stepping into office with such a promise of a better tomorrow.......then comes the inside knowledge........"oh no, he exclaims......how can i ever fix this country".

    Its a mess that is for sure, but for every patch that is repaired another leak springs. I want to say that i am not saying this because i'm a Obama lover one way or the other.......and feel the need to defend him. I say it only because is there really a man in this country that could put a quick fix to repair the damage done?

    I personally don't think so
    Mnogo komentara na Obamu. Kada je izabran, svi smo se nadali u bolju Ameriku. Iskreno, zar ne mislite da i dalje radi?

    Pravo pitanje je zašto on ne može da izvrši neke od ovih promena koje su ovde predložene. Pitam se da li bi mogao.....zar ne? Šta se dešava unutra, ne može da otkrije javnosti.

    Ne mogu a da ne osećam da je to izvan razumevanja američke javnosti. Zvuči tako lako kao građani ove zemlje da sede i kažu da treba da uradi ovo ili ono i sve će se rešiti.

    Ali za svaku promenu je domino efekat. Mislim da je to ono što mi ne shvatamo ili čak ne znamo. Vizueliziram Obamu kako prvi stupa na funkciju sa takvim obećanjem o boljem sutra.......onda dolazi unutrašnje znanje........"o ne, uzvikuje on......kako mogu ikada popravi ovu zemlju".

    Nered je to sigurno, ali za svaku krpu koja se popravi izvire još jedno curenje. Želim da kažem da ovo ne govorim zato što sam na ovaj ili onaj način Obamin ljubavnik.......i osećam potrebu da ga branim. Kažem to samo zato što zaista postoji čovek u ovoj zemlji koji bi mogao brzo da popravi učinjenu štetu?

    Ja lično ne mislim tako
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    The system is patch ontop of patch, it just cannot be repaired any more.
    We need an all new system, not one made with echoing, selfish conjuring promises but one made with effort.. "yes thats going to work", if it doesn't then its back at one. A devoted panel that cares nothing about anything except to derive a new system to correct this awful mess we are in.

    Sistem je zakrpa na vrhu zakrpe, jednostavno se više ne može popraviti.
    Potreban nam je potpuno novi sistem, ne onaj koji je napravljen sa odjekom, sebičnim dočaravajućim obećanjima, već onaj napravljen naporom.. "da, to će proraditi", ako ne uspe, onda se okreće jednom. Predani panel koji ne brine ni o čemu osim da izvede novi sistem da ispravi ovaj užasni nered u kojem se nalazimo.

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    I agree lips. We are in a mess with no way for a quick clean up.
    I think we sit back and point the finger because "it's his job". If any one of us were assigned this massive task, how judgemental would we be? 

    Slažem se usne. U haosu smo bez mogućnosti za brzo čišćenje.
    Mislim da se zavalimo i upiremo prstom jer "to je njegov posao". Da je bilo kome od nas dodeljen ovaj ogroman zadatak, koliko bismo bili osuđivani?

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    No one can clean it up in one year...agreed!  However, one can make it worse very quickly.  And that is what Obama is doing.  

    Fact:  He has borrowed and spent more in one year, than all the Presidents in US history did COMBINED.

    He is making people dependent on government.  Millions will become wards-of-the-state.***

    He wants to tax "the rich" to pay for all this, but there are not enough rich people to satisfy his spending mania.  Already 86% of all taxes are paid by just 25% of the workforce.  (Up from 84% in 2000)  The top 1% pay 40% of ALL taxes.  There simply are not enough rich people to tax anymore.  This means average people are going to see a huge increase in taxes (or taxes disguised as "fees.")

    You will be forced purchase health insurance at 12% of your salary.  If you fail to do so, you can be put in jail.  This is in the Bill up for vote this week in the Senate.  No one denies this reality in the proposed legislation.

    ***Just look at the Youtube videos of people REALLY believing Obama is going to give them a free car, house, and spending cash.

    Niko to ne može očistiti za godinu dana...dogovoreno! Međutim, može se vrlo brzo pogoršati. I to je ono što Obama radi.

    Činjenica: On je pozajmio i potrošio više u jednoj godini, nego što su svi predsednici u istoriji SAD uradili KOMBINOVANO.

    On čini ljude zavisnim od vlade. Milioni će postati štićenici države.***

    Želi da oporezuje "bogate" da sve ovo plati, ali nema dovoljno bogatih da zadovolje njegovu maniju potrošnje. Već 86% svih poreza plaća samo 25% radne snage. (U odnosu na 84% u 2000.) Prvih 1% plaća 40% SVIH poreza. Jednostavno više nema dovoljno bogatih ljudi za oporezivanje. To znači da će prosečni ljudi videti ogromno povećanje poreza (ili poreza prerušenih u „naknade“.)

    Bićete prinuđeni da kupite zdravstveno osiguranje sa 12% vaše plate. Ako to ne učinite, možete biti strpani u zatvor. Ovo se nalazi u Predlogu zakona koji će se ove nedelje glasati u Senatu. Ovu realnost u predloženom zakonu niko ne poriče.

    ***Pogledajte samo Ioutube video snimke ljudi koji STVARNO veruju da će im Obama dati besplatan auto, kuću i trošenje novca.

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    Drpsyce38, your president for the next year. Tell us what your agenda is.

    Drpsice38, vaš predsednik za sledeću godinu. Recite nam koji je vaš dnevni red.

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    grapeu......bottom line:  Do not create a debt so large no one can pay it off.  This is the number one killer of the economy.  Cut spending.  Cut, cut.  Do not raise taxes.

    grapeu......na kraju: Ne stvarajte dug tako veliki da niko ne može da ga otplati. Ovo je ubica broj jedan ekonomije. Smanjite potrošnju. Rez rez. Ne povećavajte poreze.

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    Debate #2

    To Swing or not to Swing that is the question.


    There are couples who are married and very happy. There is just one twist to their relationship that is not main stream in society. They are swingers. These couples believe that it strengthens their marriage. Sexual activity should not be limited or deprived to just one partner. It's a natural act of enjoyment. This does not change the love the married couple has for each other. It is always done with the consent of their partner and knowledge.

    There are married couples who believe that monogamy is what marriage is. Being faithful to just one person is the true expression of love. It is against religion and vows taken to have multiple partners.

    Sexual desire is a natural part of life. Should we not be allowed to act upon our desires? Has becoming civilized in today's culture deprived us? Is having one partner showing the greatest expression of love?

    Lips
    Debata #2

    Zamahnuti ili ne zamahnuti, to je pitanje.


    Ima parova koji su venčani i veoma srećni. Postoji samo jedan zaokret u njihovom odnosu koji nije glavna struja u društvu. Oni su svingeri. Ovi parovi veruju da to jača njihov brak. Seksualna aktivnost ne treba da bude ograničena ili lišena samo jednog partnera. To je prirodan čin uživanja. Ovo ne menja ljubav koju bračni par gaji jedno prema drugom. To se uvek radi uz saglasnost njihovog partnera i znanje.

    Postoje bračni parovi koji veruju da je monogamija ono što je brak. Biti veran samo jednoj osobi je pravi izraz ljubavi. To je protiv religije i zaveta da se ima više partnera.

    Seksualna želja je prirodan deo života. Zar nam ne treba dozvoliti da postupamo u skladu sa svojim željama? Da li nas je civilizovanje u današnjoj kulturi lišilo? Da li je imati jednog partnera koji pokazuje najveći izraz ljubavi?

    Usne
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    Monogamy is a wonderful thought but I truly do not believe that humans are meant to be monogamous. In my opinion, that is why there are so many relationships destroyed by unfaithful partners. Many of us can consciously make the choice to be with one person or partners may make the choice to have the infamous “open relationship”. Marriage is for those people. Bottom line, both people must be on board.

    Monogamija je divna misao, ali ja zaista ne verujem da je ljudima suđeno da budu monogamni. Po mom mišljenju, zato postoji toliko mnogo veza koje su uništili neverni partneri. Mnogi od nas mogu svesno da odluče da budu sa jednom osobom ili partneri mogu doneti izbor da imaju zloglasnu „otvorenu vezu“. Brak je za te ljude. Zaključak, obe osobe moraju biti na brodu.

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    Marriage is sacred to me, you make vows to God and each other.
    One partner for me for life is all i'll need, whatever sexual desires my husband needs or wants i'll be all that. I'll be Tinkerbell one night and Ms.SheWolf the next, all my love, devotion, attention, concentration etc goes to my husband, my mind, heart, body and soul are his.
    With issues as "swingers" it makes it so marriage was more of its convinence, having the papers just for security. Why get married if you are just going to fool around. You want other sexual partners don't get married.
    I think with the swingers thing your marriage heads for trouble.

    Brak je za mene svetinja, zavetujete se Bogu i jedni drugima.
    Jedan partner za mene je sve što će mi trebati, bez obzira na seksualne želje mom mužu treba ili želi, ja ću biti sve to. Ja ću biti Tinkerbell jedne noći, a gospođa SheVolf sledeće, sva moja ljubav, predanost, pažnja, koncentracija itd ide mom mužu, moj um, srce, telo i duša su njegovi.
    Sa problemima kao "svingeri" to čini tako da je brak bio više njegova ubedljivost, imajući papire samo zbog sigurnosti. Zašto se ženiti ako ćeš se samo zezati. Želite da se drugi seksualni partneri ne venčavaju.
    Mislim da sa svingerima tvoj brak dovodi do problema.

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    Is there really a correlation between love and sex with swingers? I think those are two completely different areas. Love is emotional.........sex is desire for these couples. Of course when we are in love having intimacy is part of the loving expression........but not in all cases.

    Sexual arousal has nothing to do with love at all in many cases. In open couple relationships.....the partner is not out seeking "love". They are out to have a good time.

    I will say........i am TOTALLY against it. Call me jealous.......but NO one would touch MY man!!!

    Lips
    Da li zaista postoji korelacija između ljubavi i seksa sa svingerima? Mislim da su to dve potpuno različite oblasti. Ljubav je emotivna.........seks je želja za ove parove. Naravno, kada smo zaljubljeni, intimnost je deo izraza ljubavi, ali ne u svim slučajevima.

    Seksualno uzbuđenje u mnogim slučajevima nema nikakve veze sa ljubavlju. U otvorenim vezama u paru... partner ne traži "ljubav". Oni su izašli da se dobro provedu.

    Reći ću......... ja sam potpuno protiv toga. Nazovite me ljubomornim.......ali MOG čoveka NIKO NE bi dirao!!!

    Usne
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    I have to have feelings to have sex with a man, perferable love..
    It aint just wham bam thank you MAN for me..
    Sex is not just sex to me.. it is a gift of love and passion to my partner, that i have for him..
    It just doesn't do the do for me when its just sex.. 

    Moram da imam osećanja da bih imala seks sa muškarcem, savršena ljubav..
    To nije samo vham bam hvala ti ČOVEČE za mene..
    Seks za mene nije samo seks.. to je dar ljubavi i strasti mom partneru, koju imam za njega..
    Jednostavno mi ne ide kad je samo seks..

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    Ok, with that said it brings up a whole new issue here. There are men that do not feel the same way women do in regards to sex. We as women have a more emotional connection to intimacy.

    Some men don't need love nor does it even enter into the equation when looking for pleasure with a woman. I think women put a lot more emphasis on love then men do when sharing intimacy.

    Lips
    U redu, s tim rečeno, ovde se otvara potpuno novo pitanje. Postoje muškarci koji se ne osećaju isto kao žene po pitanju seksa. Mi kao žene imamo emotivniju vezu sa intimnošću.

    Nekim muškarcima ljubav nije potrebna niti ona čak ulazi u jednačinu kada traže zadovoljstvo sa ženom. Mislim da žene stavljaju mnogo više naglaska na ljubav nego muškarci kada dele intimnost.

    Usne
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    Well.. why do we marry?

    You know some countries, up to 4 wives are allowed, the marriages are more of showing wealth, pride, prominence.. and more..
    It's not even about sex or love.. how strange is that?
    I could never see myself happy in a marriage, my husband married with 3 other women.. hell no, and seriously i don't know how they do it and get along.
    Gosh.. knowing my husband is off to the next room with another wife having sex.. or another household gone for days with her, or even all at the same time lol

    The swing thing can work great there lol..
    Not for me im not sharing my husband, and i'd smack him if he even thought about it!!! Just kidding on smacking him tongue

    Pa.. zašto se venčamo?

    Znate u nekim zemljama, do 4 žene su dozvoljene, brakovi su više za pokazivanje bogatstva, ponosa, istaknutosti... i još mnogo toga..
    Ne radi se čak ni o seksu ili ljubavi.. kako je to čudno?
    Nikada nisam mogla sebe da vidim srećnom u braku, moj muž se oženio sa još 3 žene.. dođavola, ne, a ozbiljno ne znam kako to rade i kako se slažu.
    Bože.. znajući da je moj muž otišao u susednu sobu sa drugom ženom koja ima seks.. ili neko drugo domaćinstvo danima sa njom, ili čak sve u isto vreme lol

    Stvar za ljuljanje može odlično da funkcioniše tamo lol..
    Ne za mene, ja ne delim svog muža, i udarila bih ga da je i pomislio na to!!! Samo se šalim što sam ga udario tongue

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Psychology 101....people have sex for many, many different reasons. 

    Psihologija 101... ljudi imaju seks iz mnogo, mnogo različitih razloga.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I truely believe the American dream is to have happiness and peace in there lives.  To be able to live comfortably and not worry about how or when they are going to be able to pay the rent and other bills or if they will be able to afford food for the family until the next paycheck comes in.  I know money does not buy you happiness but it does provide the essentials for living.

    Iskreno verujem da je američki san imati sreću i mir u životima. Da mogu da žive udobno i da ne brinu o tome kako i kada će moći da plate stanarinu i druge račune ili da li će moći da priušte hranu za porodicu do sledeće plate. Znam da novac nije kupim vam sreću, ali vam pruža ono što je neophodno za život.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    Debate #3

    What happened to Freedom of Speech?

    Bill/amendment #1.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an Establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Exactly what is Freedom of Speech? Should we be allowed to voice our opinions no matter who we may or may not offend. Many times we have asked ourselves....what happened to freedom of speech when someone loses their jobs, or they become tainted by news media for speaking their minds.

    Maybe there should be more limitations on what we say. Is it right to unjustly attack a group, person, religious beliefs and political opinions? 

    We may not be allowed to slander a persons religious beliefs or ethic background but its ok for example to call someone over weight ugly and cruel names and that goes unnoticed and is accepted.

    Do you believe that being denied to voice our opinions only stifles any resolution to problems in our world today? Who decides what is considered appropriate opinion to inappropriate opinions?

    Lips
    Debata #3

    Šta se desilo sa slobodom govora?

    Predlog zakona/amandman br.1.

    Kongres neće donositi zakon koji poštuje neku religiju ili zabranjuje njeno slobodno ispoljavanje; ili ograničavanje slobode govora ili štampe; ili pravo ljudi da se mirno okupljaju i da mole Vladu za ispravljanje pritužbi.

    Šta je tačno sloboda govora? Treba li nam dozvoliti da iznesemo svoje mišljenje bez obzira koga možemo, a koga ne uvredimo. Mnogo puta smo se zapitali....šta se desilo sa slobodom govora kada neko ostane bez posla, ili se ukalja od strane medija zato što je rekao šta misli.

    Možda bi trebalo da postoji više ograničenja za ono što govorimo. Da li je ispravno nepravedno napadati grupu, osobu, verska uverenja i politička mišljenja?

    Možda nam nije dozvoljeno da klevetamo verska ubeđenja ili etičku pozadinu neke osobe, ali je u redu, na primer, da nekoga preko težine nazivamo ružnim i okrutnim imenima i to ostaje neprimećeno i prihvata se.

    Da li verujete da uskraćivanje da izrazimo svoje mišljenje samo guši bilo kakvo rešavanje problema u današnjem svetu? Ko odlučuje šta se smatra odgovarajućim mišljenjem do neprikladnih mišljenja?

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I think it is unfair.. but its fair for a reason..

    You are only heard if you are intelligently and meaningfully speaking, i beleive also it is designed to protect the "establishment" and not the individual, that is where it is not fair..

    Mislim da je nepravedno.. ali je pošteno s razlogom..

    Čuju vas samo ako inteligentno i smisleno govorite, verujem i da je dizajnirano da zaštiti "establišment" a ne pojedinca, tu nije fer..

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Monogamy is a wonderful thought but I truly do not believe that humans are meant to be monogamous. In my opinion, that is why there are so many relationships destroyed by unfaithful partners. Many of us can consciously make the choice to be with one person or partners may make the choice to have the infamous “open relationship”. Marriage is for those people. Bottom line, both people must be on board.

    Basically that is right but depends on gender " I think"
          Like lions in wild the male has a pride of females but as long as that male is the stronger of rivals he is the only one for her. If another male is stronger and beats or kills him she goes to the winner. The female will stay with him until he can no longer defend the pride.
          Same with humans since we all are mammals. Just society regards men keeping "prides" immoral. If it was acceptable every man would take on more than one wife but us females would stay with one man, even if we had to share. Society shapes how we live not us.

    Monogamija je divna misao, ali ja zaista ne verujem da je ljudima suđeno da budu monogamni. Po mom mišljenju, zato postoji toliko mnogo veza koje su uništili neverni partneri. Mnogi od nas mogu svesno da donesu odluku da budu sa jednom osobom ili partneri mogu doneti izbor da imaju zloglasnu „otvorenu vezu“. Brak je za te ljude. Zaključak, obe osobe moraju biti na brodu.

    U osnovi, to je tačno, ali zavisi od pola "mislim"
    Kao lavovi u divljini, mužjak ima ponos na ženke, ali sve dok je taj mužjak jači od rivala, on je jedini za nju. Ako je drugi mužjak jači i pobedi ga ili ubije, ona ide do pobednika. Ženka će ostati sa njim sve dok više ne bude mogao da brani ponos.
    Isto je i sa ljudima pošto smo svi sisari. Pravedno društvo smatra da muškarci drže „pride“ nemoralnim. Da je to prihvatljivo, svaki muškarac bi uzeo više od jedne žene, ali bi mi žene ostale sa jednim muškarcem, čak i kada bismo morali da delimo. Društvo oblikuje kako mi živimo, a ne mi.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Freedom of speech.

    Currently, the biggest threat to freedom of speech is what is commonly called "political correctness."  Now, in all fairness, for years what CONTROLED dialogue was white/male/rich power structures.  So, this may be a case of "turn about being fair play!"

    However, political correctness does squelch debate.  For example:

    If one opposes Obama on a matter, at times the race card is played.  "You only say that because Obama is black!"

    If you have legitimate concerns about environmental issues, but really question the science of "global warming"  then you are a painted as a killer of polar bears and a member of the proverbial Flat Earth Society.

    Etc...

    Sloboda govora.

    Trenutno, najveća pretnja slobodi govora je ono što se obično naziva „političkom korektnošću“. Iskreno rečeno, godinama je KONTROLISANI dijalog bile strukture moći bele/muške/bogate. Dakle, ovo može biti slučaj "zaokrenuti se fer-plejom!"

    Međutim, politička korektnost guši debatu. Na primer:

    Ako se neko suprotstavi Obami po nekom pitanju, ponekad se igra na kartu trke. „To kažete samo zato što je Obama crnac!“

    Ako imate opravdanu zabrinutost u vezi sa pitanjima životne sredine, ali zaista dovodite u pitanje nauku o "globalnom zagrevanju", onda ste naslikani kao ubica polarnih medveda i član poslovičnog Društva ravne Zemlje.

    itd...

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski
    We the people have created censorship. We all have our own strong beliefs in one thing or another. Basically i really think that Americans hate some form of speech or public opinions at one time or another. 

    What is the first thing we do? We want the government to intervene. I think Freedom of Speech is a crock. How many times have you wanted to say something and strongly express an opinion but hold back? We live more and more fear for our voices to be heard.

    There is always going to be difference where opinions are concerned. Instead of losing our jobs, losing our character as individuals.....shouldn't it be instilled that its ok to have your own set a beliefs and still have our dignity? Instead we are shamed and ridiculed by society.

    I think there should be a revised amendment..........It's ok to disagree.

    Lips
    Mi ljudi smo stvorili cenzuru. Svi imamo svoja čvrsta uverenja u jednu ili drugu stvar. U suštini, zaista mislim da Amerikanci mrze neki oblik govora ili javnog mnjenja u jednom ili drugom trenutku.

    Šta je prvo što radimo? Želimo da vlada interveniše. Mislim da je sloboda govora loša stvar. Koliko puta ste hteli da kažete nešto i snažno izrazite svoje mišljenje, ali ste se suzdržali? Sve više živimo strah da se naš glas čuje.

    Uvek će postojati razlika kada su mišljenja u pitanju. Umesto da izgubimo posao, da izgubimo svoj karakter kao pojedinci.....zar ne bi trebalo da se usađuje da je u redu da imate svoja uverenja i da i dalje imamo naše dostojanstvo? Umesto toga, društvo nas sramoti i ismejava.

    Mislim da bi trebalo da postoji revidirani amandman..........U redu je da se ne slažem.

    Usne

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