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- u Mar 09, 10, 02:04:52 PM
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The Partiality of Friendship
Jim has the responsibility of filling a position in his firm. His friend Paul has applied and is qualified, but someone else seems even more qualified. Jim wants to give the job to Paul, but he feels guilty, believing that he ought to be impartial. That's the essence of morality, he initially tells himself. This belief is, however, rejected, as Jim resolves that friendship has a moral importance that permits, and perhaps even requires, partiality in some circumstances. So he gives the job to Paul.
Was he right?
Lips
Pristrasnost prijateljstva
Jim ima odgovornost da popuni poziciju u svojoj firmi. Njegov prijatelj Paul se prijavio i kvalifikovan je, ali neko drugi izgleda još kvalifikovaniji. Džim želi da taj posao prepusti Polu, ali se oseća krivim, verujući da bi trebalo da bude nepristrasan. To je suština morala, u početku kaže sebi. Ovo uverenje je, međutim, odbačeno, pošto Džim rešava da prijateljstvo ima moralnu važnost koja dozvoljava, a možda čak i zahteva, pristrasnost u nekim okolnostima. Dakle, on daje posao Paulu.
Da li je bio u pravu?
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- u Mar 09, 10, 03:50:35 PM
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I have had to hire people to work for me before. First I have to say...
hiring friend or relatives really isn't the way to go. Maybe if they are not
going to work with you, then that would be different. They tend to take
advantage.
However, if they are both qualified for the same position, and you are only the hiring manager, then by all means...hire your friend.
Even tho they are not as qualified as the other person...they ARE qualified for the position, and your friendship trumps the extra experience.
Definately. 8)Morao sam ranije da unajmljujem ljude da rade za mene. Prvo moram da kažem...
zapošljavanje prijatelja ili rođaka zaista nije pravi način. Možda ako nisu
da radim sa vama, onda bi to bilo drugačije. Oni imaju tendenciju da uzimaju
prednost.
Međutim, ako su oboje kvalifikovani za istu poziciju, a vi ste samo menadžer za zapošljavanje, onda svakako... unajmite svog prijatelja.
Čak iako nisu kvalifikovani kao druga osoba...oni JESU kvalifikovani za tu poziciju, a vaše prijateljstvo nadmašuje dodatno iskustvo.
Definitivno. 8) -
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- Shelli
- u Mar 09, 10, 04:15:41 PM
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I agree, he did the right thing. If he gives the job to a friend who wasn't qualified, then I think he would be wrong.
The choice to hire Paul was easy. The hard part is when you have to fire your friend.
When I was working in Los Angeles, I had to fire a friend of mine, Hector. Letting someone go is usually pretty easy for me (since I am a @@@@@). This time though was HORRIBLE. Hector was the 1st person I hired and pretty much my 1st friend in LA. His mom even watched my son, who was 2 then. The funny thing was as he walked in the door he could see in my face that I was holding back the tears. The good thing was that it didn't effect our friendship at all because he knew he messed up.
Oh, the reason I had to let him go was I had met with my district and regional managers earlier that morning and there were SEEDS in the back room!!! Hector had a good story though, he told them they were for a seed cultivating class he was taking. LMAO!!!!!Slažem se, uradio je pravu stvar. Ako da posao prijatelju koji nije kvalifikovan, onda mislim da bi pogrešio.
Izbor da se zaposli Paul je bio lak. Teži deo je kada morate da otpustite svog prijatelja.
Kada sam radio u Los Anđelesu, morao sam da otpustim svog prijatelja, Hektora. Pustiti nekoga da ode obično je prilično lako za mene (pošto sam @@@@@). Ovaj put je ipak bilo UŽASNO. Hector je bio prva osoba koju sam zaposlio i skoro moj prvi prijatelj u LA-u. Njegova mama je čak posmatrala mog sina, koji je tada imao 2 godine. Smešno je bilo kada je ušao na vrata video mi je na licu da suzdržavam suze. Dobra stvar je bila što to uopšte nije uticalo na naše prijateljstvo jer je znao da je zabrljao.
Oh, razlog zašto sam morao da ga pustim je to što sam se tog jutra sreo sa svojim okružnim i regionalnim menadžerima i bilo je SEME u zadnjoj prostoriji!!! Međutim, Hector je imao dobru priču, rekao im je da su za čas kultivacije semena koji on pohađa. LMAO!!!!! -
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- u Mar 09, 10, 05:48:45 PM
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oh thats too bad shell...i too know its hard.
i had to do it too, but i didn't feel bad. i had my own auto detailing business, and hired my significant other...who was less than helpful.
after alot of thought of how miserable my life was going to be when i did it...
the axe was swung, and i was right...my life turned into living hell.
but, no regrets. business is business. friends/lovers sometimes have no place in business. if they cannot be professional, and hurt the business...bye bye babyo, šteta što je školjka... i ja znam da je teško.
i ja sam to morao da uradim, ali nisam se osećao loše. Imao sam svoj posao sa detaljima automobila, i unajmio svoju značajnu drugu osobu...koja je bila manje nego od pomoći.
nakon mnogo razmišljanja o tome koliko će mi život biti jadan kada to uradim...
sekira je zamahnula, i bio sam u pravu...moj život se pretvorio u živi pakao.
ali, bez žaljenja. posao je posao. prijateljima/ljubavnicima ponekad nije mesto u poslu. ako ne mogu da budu profesionalni, i da naškode poslu... ćao dušo -
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- Lipstick
- u Mar 10, 10, 02:19:30 PM
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I would hire a friend in a heart beat!! It would have to be a good friend that i know would not abuse our relationship. If you can't help your friends who can you help?
For those friends that take advantage of you in the work force........they were never a friend to begin with.
LipsUnajmio bih prijatelja u trenu!! To bi morao biti dobar prijatelj za kojeg znam da ne bi zloupotrebio našu vezu. Ako ne možete pomoći svojim prijateljima, kome možete pomoći?
Za one prijatelje koji te iskorišćavaju u radnoj snazi ........ za početak nikada nisu bili prijatelji.
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- u Mar 10, 10, 04:11:55 PM
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Super Hero 2190
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I would hire a friend in a heart beat!! It would have to be a good friend that i know would not abuse our relationship. If you can't help your friends who can you help?
For those friends that take advantage of you in the work force........they were never a friend to begin with.
Lips
believe it or not lips, no matter how close people are, family and friends are the ones that take advantage of you the most, because they think they can. sad but true...
Unajmio bih prijatelja u trenu!! To bi morao biti dobar prijatelj za kojeg znam da ne bi zloupotrebio našu vezu. Ako ne možete pomoći svojim prijateljima, kome možete pomoći?
Za one prijatelje koji te iskorišćavaju u radnoj snazi ........ za početak nikada nisu bili prijatelji.
Usne
verovali ili ne usnama, bez obzira koliko su ljudi bliski, porodica i prijatelji su ti koji te najviše iskorišćavaju, jer misle da mogu. tužno ali istinito... -
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- u Mar 11, 10, 09:47:25 PM
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That's very true nal. That's why i always say.....you can have alot of friends but very few true friends.
LipsTo je vrlo tačno. Zato uvek kažem...možete imati puno prijatelja, ali vrlo malo pravih prijatelja.
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- u Mar 11, 10, 09:54:36 PM
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i didn't speak to my SISTER who i love to pieces over a bad business deal with her stupid husband.
ok lips, i know you would be different...
xoxo
Nisam razgovarao sa svojom SESTROM koju volim na komade zbog lošeg poslovnog dogovora sa njenim glupim mužem.
ok usne, znam da bi bio drugačiji...koko
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- wnanhee
- u Mar 12, 10, 12:52:40 AM
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Jim did the right thing...
I agree with Lips on this about if I can't help my friends, who can I help?
Sure...sometimes friends and family do take advantages of you but again,
they are the ones who will always be there for you no matter what. It will take some good long time to get to know the stranger(worker) so it has a good side of hiring your friend, at least you know the person better than a stranger...
Nothing is more important or valuable than a true friendship and if I had the power to give a job to one of my good friend, I won't think twice.Džim je uradio pravu stvar...
Slažem se sa Lipsom u vezi sa ovim o tome, ako ne mogu da pomognem svojim prijateljima, kome mogu da pomognem?
Naravno...ponekad vas prijatelji i porodica iskoriste, ali opet,
oni su ti koji će uvek biti tu za vas bez obzira na sve. Biće potrebno dosta vremena da upoznate stranca (radnika), tako da ima dobru stranu unajmljivanja vašeg prijatelja, barem vi poznajete osobu bolje od stranca...
Ništa nije važnije ili vrednije od pravog prijateljstva i da sam imao moć da dam posao nekom od svojih dobrih prijatelja, ne bih razmišljao dvaput. -
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- drpsyce38
- u Mar 12, 10, 08:32:12 AM
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No, he is not right.
He wrongly assumes this decision will not effect the friendship. There is a high probability the friendship will decline or end all together.
Also, this how the "good old boy network" worked. Giving jobs to less qualified friends boxed out women and minorities in business for years.
So, Jim has committed an "immoral" act.Ne, nije u pravu.
Pogrešno pretpostavlja da ova odluka neće uticati na prijateljstvo. Postoji velika verovatnoća da će prijateljstvo opasti ili će se sve zajedno završiti.
Takođe, ovako je funkcionisala "mreža dobrih starih dečaka". Davanje poslova manje kvalifikovanim prijateljima godinama je izbacivalo žene i manjine u posao.
Dakle, Džim je počinio "nemoralan" čin. -
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- bradwill
- u Mar 12, 10, 01:24:50 PM
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Perhaps Jims' friend is himself a minority (or a woman with a very culturally unsuited name). In that case it may not be so immoral - according to those criteria.
I think you're right about it jeapordizing the relationship, but I don't think it's inevitable that the relationship will deteriorate to the point of destruction. There are bound to be plenty of cases where these situations have worked out quite well and the relationship between the two friends or relatives has grown even stronger. I don't know Jim, or Paul, so I can't say with any certainty what may transpire between them. I could speculate, based on my own experiences and information - but that's all it would be. The future nature of their relationship in this case would surely depend on the nature of the individuals themselves and the situations that emerge during the course of their employment together.
So immoral seems to me to be too strong a word to describe his decision. If there was an extremely high probability, or even certainty, of the relationship going down, and Jim knew this in advance - or if Jim were willingly taking unfair advantage of Pauls' need for employment to Pauls' future detriment - then immoral would be a good description. In this case though 'unwise' might be a better description. A lot of good relationships do fall apart in situations like this - but certainly not all of them.
Barring any portents of that event happening in the future though, I think his decision was good and entirely moral or ethical. In fact, it may have been the best decision. The crux in these cases, I believe, is qualification. As stated, Paul was sufficiently qualified for the job. The other applicant was too (maybe overqualified?), as were probably any number of other people, but he is also unknown. Jim probably has only the brief encounters of the interview process, which are extremely superficial and possibly contrived, to assess his character and its suitability to the position and the company. He already knows Paul and should not even be considering him if there are any issues in terms of his character or ethics that would negatively impact the company.
And I tend to agree with the sentiment "If you can't help your friends, then who can you help?" ... as long as they are qualified (or even could soon be qualified - depending on the position). The good ol' boy network too often neglected this criteria to the detriment of the workforce and society as a whole. Familiarity should not be the sole criteria of inclusion, just as it should not be a criteria for exclusion - in most cases.
Besides, not hiring his friend could be just as detrimental to their relationship, or even more so, than giving him preferential consideration. I'd be pretty pissed off if I were in Pauls' position and knew I had been passed over because Jim feared some kind of conflict of interest or moral horn. Especially if I really needed that job. More often than not when looking for work it's not what you know but who you know. Most everybody knows this - or will realize it at some point in the future. So, when even that starts to fail, then what the hell do you have?Možda je Džimsov prijatelj i sam manjina (ili žena sa veoma kulturološki neprikladnim imenom). U tom slučaju možda i nije tako nemoralno – po tim kriterijumima.
Mislim da ste u pravu kada je u pitanju ugrožavanje veze, ali ne mislim da je neizbežno da će se odnos pogoršati do tačke uništenja. Sigurno je da će biti mnogo slučajeva u kojima su ove situacije prilično dobro funkcionisale i da je odnos između dva prijatelja ili rođaka postao još jači. Ne poznajem Džima ili Pola, tako da ne mogu sa sigurnošću reći šta bi se moglo dogoditi između njih. Mogao bih da spekulišem, na osnovu sopstvenog iskustva i informacija - ali to je sve što bi bilo. Buduća priroda njihovog odnosa u ovom slučaju bi sigurno zavisila od prirode samih pojedinaca i situacija koje se pojavljuju tokom njihovog zajedničkog zaposlenja.
Tako mi se nemoralno čini da je prejaka reč da opišem njegovu odluku. Ako je postojala izuzetno velika verovatnoća, ili čak izvesnost, da će se veza raspasti, a Džim je to znao unapred – ili ako je Džim voljno koristio Paulsovu potrebu za zaposlenjem na Paulsovu buduću štetu – onda bi nemoralno bilo dobar opis. U ovom slučaju, 'nemudro' bi mogao biti bolji opis. Mnogo dobrih veza se raspada u ovakvim situacijama - ali sigurno ne sve.
Izuzimajući bilo kakve nagoveštaje tog događaja u budućnosti, mislim da je njegova odluka bila dobra i potpuno moralna ili etička. U stvari, možda je to bila najbolja odluka. Suština u ovim slučajevima, verujem, je kvalifikacija. Kao što je navedeno, Pol je bio dovoljno kvalifikovan za posao. I drugi podnosilac predstavke je bio (možda prekvalifikovan?), kao i verovatno bilo koji broj drugih ljudi, ali on je takođe nepoznat. Džim verovatno ima samo kratke susrete u procesu intervjua, koji su krajnje površni i verovatno izmišljeni, da bi procenio njegov karakter i njegovu podobnost za poziciju i kompaniju. On već poznaje Pola i ne bi trebalo ni da ga razmatra ako postoje bilo kakvi problemi u pogledu njegovog karaktera ili etike koji bi negativno uticali na kompaniju.
I ja sam sklon da se složim sa osećanjem "Ako ne možete da pomognete svojim prijateljima, kome onda možete pomoći?" ... sve dok su kvalifikovani (ili bi čak mogli uskoro da budu kvalifikovani - u zavisnosti od pozicije). Mreža dobrih starih momaka prečesto je zanemarivala ove kriterijume na štetu radne snage i društva u celini. Poznavanje ne bi trebalo da bude jedini kriterijum za uključivanje, kao što ne bi trebalo da bude kriterijum za isključenje – u većini slučajeva.
Osim toga, neunajmljivanje njegovog prijatelja moglo bi biti jednako štetno za njihovu vezu, ili čak i više od toga da mu dajete prednost. Bio bih prilično ljut da sam u Paulsovom položaju i znao da su me preskočili jer se Džim plašio nekakvog sukoba interesa ili moralnog roga. Pogotovo ako mi je taj posao zaista bio potreban. Češće nego ne kada tražite posao, nije ono što znate već koga poznajete. Gotovo svi to znaju - ili će to shvatiti u nekom trenutku u budućnosti. Pa, kad i to počne da propada, šta onda dođavola imaš? -
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Brad,
Bravo!!!!!!!! That was a awesome response!!! I couldn't agree with you more. Love your passion and your flare of expression!!
LipsBred,
Bravo!!!!!!!! To je bio sjajan odgovor!!! Ne bih se mogao više složiti sa tobom. Volite svoju strast i svoj bljesak izraza!!
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I have to agree with wnanhee and brad, both well said and Lips you are right, i've read brads writings before and his passion in expression is outstanding.
To be very honest and most people wouldn't say this but deep inside i would be hurt if he didn't choose me, i'd get over it.. but it would still hurt me, it's just one of those things... of course he is my friend and did what he had to do.. but.. it would just be a feeling i'd have...Moram da se složim sa Vnanheejem i Bredom, obojica dobro rečeno i Lips, u pravu si, čitao sam Bredove spise ranije i njegova strast u izražavanju je izvanredna.
Da budem vrlo iskren i većina ljudi ovo ne bi rekla, ali duboko u sebi bih bila povređena da me nije izabrao, prebolela bih to.. ali bi me i dalje bolelo, to je samo jedna od tih stvari.. .naravno da mi je prijatelj i uradio je ono što je morao da uradi..ali..to bi bio samo osećaj koji bih imao...
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