Ah, the old Santa Claus issue!
Do we emerse our kids in the American person and magic of Santa, seeking to touch our own child-hood memories?
Do we treat Santa as a minor part of Christmas and the holidays?
Or, we do we let kids know early on that Santa is marketing myth and figure designed to make Americans spend money?
Once, years ago, I was doing mission work in a very poor area of Central America. I asked the local villagers what they thought of Santa? They about laughed me out of the hut. This was one of the poorest regions in the world and it became obvious to me that Santa was a very (upper/middle class) American invention. Further reading demonstarted there was no real connection of St. Nicholas of history and the Thomas Nast figure we idolize today.
I have four kids. I let Santa be fun while they are very small, then transition them to seeing Santa as a minor (but enjoyable) figure during Christmas time. I am actually one of those parents who attempt to make Christmas about the birth of Jesus and what it means to have peace of Earth.
So, Santa is fun! However, Santa presents some large problems, too. These include:
1. Why don't the poor kids of Central America, Hatti, and Iraq get toys from Santa?
2. Why does the Salvation Army report that up to 30 million kids in the USA don't get a "visit" from Santa?
3. Psychologically, Santa creates some interesting unresolved childhood issues. Notice how many adults have hang ups linked to Christmas, childhood, and Santa.
Šta reći deci o Deda Mrazu?
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- u Dec 10, 11, 05:04:19 PM
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Ah, staro izdanje Deda Mraza!
Da li svoju decu uvlačimo u američku ličnost i magiju Deda Mraza, u želji da dotaknemo sopstvena sećanja iz detinjstva?
Da li Deda Mraza tretiramo kao manji deo Božića i praznika?
Ili, mi dajemo deci do znanja rano da je Deda Mraz marketinški mit i figura dizajnirana da natera Amerikance da troše novac?
Jednom, pre mnogo godina, obavljao sam misijski rad u veoma siromašnoj oblasti Centralne Amerike. Pitao sam lokalne seljane šta misle o Deda Mrazu? Skoro su me ismejali iz kolibe. Ovo je bio jedan od najsiromašnijih regiona na svetu i postalo mi je očigledno da je Deda Mraz bio veoma (viša/srednja klasa) američki izum. Dalje čitanje pokazalo je da ne postoji stvarna veza između Svetog Nikole u istoriji i figure Tomasa Nasta koju danas obožavamo.
Imam četvoro dece. Dozvoljavam Deda Mrazu da bude zabavan dok su veoma mali, a zatim ih prebacim na to da vide Deda Mraza kao manju (ali prijatnu) figuru tokom Božića. Ja sam zapravo jedan od onih roditelja koji pokušavaju da obeleže Božić o rođenju Isusa i šta znači imati mir na Zemlji.
Dakle, Deda Mraz je zabavan! Međutim, Deda Mraz takođe predstavlja velike probleme. Ovi uključuju:
1. Zašto jadna deca Centralne Amerike, Hati i Iraka ne dobiju igračke od Deda Mraza?
2. Zašto Vojska spasa izveštava da do 30 miliona dece u SAD ne dobije „posetu“ Deda Mraza?
3. Psihološki, Deda Mraz stvara neke zanimljive nerešene probleme iz detinjstva. Obratite pažnju na to koliko odraslih je prekinulo vezu sa Božićem, detinjstvom i Deda Mrazom. -
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I was in MO and while there, I got to meet one church which the pastor absolutely disliked the mentioning of Santa as it "Distracted from the Holiness of Jesus and God" and frankly, I had to agree that he was right.
Bio sam u MO i dok sam bio tamo, upoznao sam jednu crkvu kojoj se pastor apsolutno nije dopao da pominje Deda Mraza jer je „odvlačila pažnju od svetosti Isusa i Boga“ i iskreno, morao sam da se složim da je bio u pravu.
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Next I guess you're gonna tell me there ain't no Easter Bunny either!

kattSledeće, pretpostavljam da ćeš mi reći da nema ni Uskršnjeg zeca!

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Luckily I didn't have to think about what to say to my daughter about Santa Clause...she justed kinda figured it out on her own when she was around 8 or 9. I guess since she kinda expected it, she wasn't all that diappointed when she asked and I said no.
Srećom, nisam morao da razmišljam šta da kažem svojoj ćerki o Deda Mrazu...ona je samo nekako sama shvatila kada je imala oko 8 ili 9 godina. Pretpostavljam, pošto je to očekivala, nije bila sve to razočaralo kada je pitala, a ja sam rekao ne.
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- u Dec 11, 11, 05:38:21 AM
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The whole Christmas season package, including Santa, has become a huge marketing event. That's why I think that kids should be educated to see Christmas as an opportunity to spend time with the family, maybe give gifts to one another, but by no means assault the shops and spend insane amounts of money just because everybody does it in December.
Ceo paket božićne sezone, uključujući Deda Mraza, postao je ogroman marketinški događaj. Zato mislim da decu treba obrazovati da vide Božić kao priliku da provedu vreme sa porodicom, možda daju poklone jedni drugima, ali nikako da jurišaju na prodavnice i troše sulude svote novca samo zato što to svi rade u decembru.
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Next I guess you're gonna tell me there ain't no Easter Bunny either!
katt
I got some more bad news about the Tooth Fairy also.
Sledeće, pretpostavljam da ćeš mi reći da nema ni Uskršnjeg zeca!
katt
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Next I guess you're gonna tell me there ain't no Easter Bunny either!
katt
I got some more bad news about the Tooth Fairy also.
katt
Sledeće, pretpostavljam da ćeš mi reći da nema ni Uskršnjeg zeca!
katt
Takođe sam dobio još loših vesti o Zubić vili.
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You ever wonder what this world would be like without imagination?
When i was little i beleived in Santa with all my heart, when i found out there was no santa, it didn't do a thing to me.. but made me realize what my parents went through each year to insure a magical christmas with santa and the whole christmas schabill, i am extremely thankful for those magical years, some of the best memories i could have..i would never want it any other way, i handed it down to my daughter, never failing to make sure Santa brought those gifts, we didn't have a fireplace/chiminey chute so i made one lol.. and to this day she thanks me for giving her the same magical childhood inwhich now she does with her own daughter who's eyes light up at the thought and stories of Santa.. let them beleive.. maturity will tell them he's not real.. as a grown woman i know Santa is make beleive..but to me he lives in my heart along with all those joyful childhood memories.. Santa is real
Da li ste se ikada zapitali kako bi ovaj svet izgledao bez mašte?
Kada sam bio mali, svim srcem sam verovao u Deda Mraza, kada sam saznao da Deda Mraz nema, to mi ništa nije učinilo.. ali me je nateralo da shvatim kroz šta su moji roditelji prolazili svake godine da bi obezbedili čarobni Božić Deda Mraz i ceo Božićni šabil, izuzetno sam zahvalan za te magične godine, neke od najlepših uspomena koje sam mogao da imam..nikada ne bih želeo drugačije, predao sam to svojoj ćerki, ne propustivši da se pobrinem da Deda Mraz donese te poklone, nismo imali kamin/dimnjak pa sam napravio jedan lol.. i do danas mi se zahvaljuje što sam joj dao isto magično detinjstvo u kojem sada radi sa sopstvenom ćerkom kojoj oči svetle pri pomisli i priče o Deda Mrazu.. neka veruju.. zrelost će im reći da on nije stvaran.. kao odrasla žena znam da Deda Mraz treba da veruje..ali za mene on živi u mom srcu zajedno sa svim tim radosnim sećanjima iz detinjstva.. Deda Mraz je pravi
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I don't know no if I ever really "believed" in Santa. We were very poor so we got usually got necessities for Christmas, never any of the good stuff that the better-off children recieved. I am a realist and quickly figured out about the Santa bit. I do believe there are "santas" out there, people who give freely and generously of themselves. But I do agree that children are children for such a small time that it doesn't hurt to encourage their imagination.
Ne znam da li sam ikada zaista "verovao" u Deda Mraza. Bili smo veoma siromašni, tako da smo obično dobijali potrepštine za Božić, nikada ništa od dobrih stvari koje su dobijala bolje stojeća deca. Ja sam realista i brzo sam shvatio nešto o Deda Mrazu. Verujem da postoje "deda Mrazi", ljudi koji daju slobodno i velikodušno od sebe. Ali slažem se da su deca deca za tako malo vreme da nije škodilo podsticati njihovu maštu.
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I love your post imagination.....thats what he really is all about in my opinion! I can't EVER remember having that intense a feeling of excitement I did as a kid on Christams Eve just waiting for him to show up...always had cookies and milk out and ALWAYS had to be in bed before midnight because he wouldn't come if we were awake and trying to take a peek at him, lol.
Sviđa mi se vaša mašta o postu...po mom mišljenju, on je zapravo ono o čemu se radi! Ne mogu da se setim da sam IKADA imao onaj intenzivan osećaj uzbuđenja koji sam imao kao dete na Božić samo čekajući da se pojavi... uvek sam imao kolače i mleko i UVEK sam morao da budem u krevetu pre ponoći jer nije hteo ne bi došao da smo budni i pokušavamo da zavirimo u njega, lol.
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Next I guess you're gonna tell me there ain't no Easter Bunny either!
katt
I got some more bad news about the Tooth Fairy also.
katt
toooooo cute katt lol and imagine awesome story i agree with you also let the kids be kids
Sledeće, pretpostavljam da ćeš mi reći da nema ni Uskršnjeg zeca!
katt
Takođe sam dobio još loših vesti o Zubić vili.
katt
previšeoooo slatka katt lol i zamisli odličnu priču slažem se sa tobom takođe neka deca budu deca -
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Next I guess you're gonna tell me there ain't no Easter Bunny either!
katt
I got some more bad news about the Tooth Fairy also.
katt
toooooo cute katt lol and imagine awesome story i agree with you also let the kids be kids
Sweet katt
Sledeće, pretpostavljam da ćeš mi reći da nema ni Uskršnjeg zeca!
katt
Takođe sam dobio još loših vesti o Zubić vili.
katt
previšeoooo slatka katt lol i zamisli odličnu priču slažem se sa tobom takođe neka deca budu deca
Sveet katt
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Love that little pic Katt.
I always told my son there was a Father Christmas and we used to leave the mince pie and glass of sherry out every year. When he was about 10 he said to me "Father Christmas isn't real is he Mum". I looked into those big blue innocent eyes and said "no he's not real sweetheart". He promptly burst into tears. His friend had told him that he wasn't real. I felt sad that I'd misread the situation but it was the way he worded it that made me think he had come to that conclusion all by himself. It was magical while it lasted.
blueVolim tu malu sliku Katt.
Uvek sam govorio svom sinu da je Božić Deda Mraza i svake godine smo ostavljali pitu sa mlevenim mesom i čašu šerija. Kada je imao oko 10 godina, rekao mi je "Deda Mraz nije stvaran, zar ne mama". Pogledao sam u te velike plave nevine oči i rekao "ne, on nije prava draga". Odmah je briznuo u plač. Prijatelj mu je rekao da nije stvaran. Bio sam tužan što sam pogrešno pročitao situaciju, ali način na koji ju je formulisao naveo me je da pomislim da je sam došao do tog zaključka. Bilo je magično dok je trajalo.
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I love your post imagination.....thats what he really is all about in my opinion! I can't EVER remember having that intense a feeling of excitement I did as a kid on Christams Eve just waiting for him to show up...always had cookies and milk out and ALWAYS had to be in bed before midnight because he wouldn't come if we were awake and trying to take a peek at him, lol.
Exactly .. same here..
i remember one time me and my sister so crazy as we were.. couldn't sleep for nothing.. we got the stupid idea to put vicks on our eyes so they would stay closed and we could fall asleep.. it worked fora minute then.. OMGGGGG.. now not only that we couldn't sleep but we were in so much PAIN,crying and screaming....that stung for hours..lmaaaooo, my mom was so mad at us.. LMAO LMAO
Sviđa mi se vaša mašta o postu...po mom mišljenju, on je zapravo ono o čemu se radi! Ne mogu da se setim da sam IKADA imao onaj intenzivan osećaj uzbuđenja koji sam imao kao dete na Božić samo čekajući da se pojavi... uvek sam imao kolače i mleko i UVEK sam morao da budem u krevetu pre ponoći jer nije hteo ne bi došao da smo budni i pokušavamo da zavirimo u njega, lol.
Tačno..isto ovde..
Sećam se jednom kada smo ja i moja sestra bili tako ludi.. nismo mogli da spavamo uzalud.. dobili smo glupu ideju da stavimo vikove na oči da bi ostale zatvorene i da bismo mogli da zaspimo.. radilo je na minut onda.. OMGGGGG.. sad ne samo da nismo mogli da spavamo nego smo bili u tolikom BOLU,plakanju i vrištanju....što je satima peklo..lmaaaoo, moja mama je bila tako ljuta na nas.. LMAO LMAO
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