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  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    As some may have notices I have been somewhat quiet lately. This was due to an extended road trip (well plane-road-plane-road trip) where in I visited 9 multi family building in 9 days to do energy assessments for their parent company. I had the pleasure of having two new to the field Auditors and was taking the opportunity to train them for a friend.

    Throughout the first 8 days I was constantly hammering them about gas/oil fired equipment and what happened when you put such equipment in the same room as the air handler for a forced air/air conditiong handler.

    Yesterday morning I was getting ready to walk into yet one more mechanical room where they kept their hot water tank and the two Newbies, following all the "advice" I had been giving them stuck the probe of the Carbon monoxide detector under the door.

    1400 ppm carbon monoxide. 1400!!! And here we are just off the common room in a senior living building, a room full of walkers, wheelchairs and hunched over folks pushing oxygen bottles. I had one of the new guys go outside with the building super and open the exterior doors to the room to air out the room safely and went in to find the source of the high CO.

    In the room was the air handler for the buildings AC and one 40 gallon hot water tank the building had a plumber install when they put a small kitchen in the common area...5 years ago. As is way to typical all of the return ducting coming back to the air handler had been left with the joints unsealed and leaky.Everytime the ac kicked on the air handler would suck in air from the return and blow it through the rest of the hallways and common areas of this three story building. Unfortunatly, because of the leaky joints instead of just drawing the air through the ducts it was also sucking in air from the mechanical room. Enough air that it was sucking the air back down the chimney of the hot water heater. When ever the hot water tank was firing and making hot water it would fill the room with CO and flue gasses then pump that through the building as well. The entire top of the water heater was singed and brown as was the piping that was close by to the flue. This had been happening from the first day the hot water tank was installed.

    Yes I shut it down, showed them what was happening and why and gave them recommendation to fix the problem permanently ( in this instance that was having an electric water heater installed to replace the gas fired one).

    The reason I am posting this is that while this case was extreme it is, unfortunatly, not rare. It does not only happen with big buildings like the one I was in but can happen in homes just as easily. The plumber in this case was just that, a plumber not an HVAC man. The HVAC man who serviced the Air Handler was not a plumber. So neither gave the other persons equipment a second glance.

    Listen folks, if you get a gas bill for your heating/hotwater... put a carbon monoxide detector in the room/basement/garage where that equipment sits. If you have a central air or forced air heating look at any duct work that comes back into the handler (the low ones are the returns) and IF you also have a Gas fired hot water heater in that same area.If you see small and cracks at each connection see about making a trip to home depot for some duct sealant such as Mastic or a URL rated foil Tape (NO Duct Tape, it dries out quickly and is useless for this). If your not the Handyperson type, have your service people look at it... And buy a CO detector...

    KK Rant over

    Kao što neki možda primećuju, u poslednje vreme sam bio pomalo tih. Ovo je bilo zbog produženog putovanja (pa avion-put-avion-put) gde sam posetio 9 višeporodičnih zgrada za 9 dana da uradim energetske procene za njihovu matičnu kompaniju. Imao sam zadovoljstvo da imam dva nova revizora na terenu i iskoristio sam priliku da ih obučim za prijatelja.

    Tokom prvih 8 dana stalno sam ih pitao o opremi na gas/naftu i šta se desilo kada takvu opremu stavite u istu prostoriju kao i ventilacioni uređaj za rukovaoce prinudnim klimama/klimama.

    Juče ujutru sam se spremao da uđem u još jednu mehaničku prostoriju u kojoj su držali svoj rezervoar tople vode, a dva novajlija, prateći sve "savete" koje sam im davao, zaglavila su sondu detektora ugljen-monoksida ispod vrata.

    1400 ppm ugljen monoksida. 1400!!! I evo nas odmah pored zajedničke sobe u zgradi za starije osobe, sobi punoj šetača, invalidskih kolica i pogrbljenih ljudi koji guraju boce sa kiseonikom. Naterao sam jednog od novih momaka da izađe napolje sa super zgradom i otvori spoljna vrata sobe da bezbedno provetri sobu i ušao sam da pronađem izvor visokog CO.

    U prostoriji je bio klima uređaj za zgrade za klimatizaciju i jedan rezervoar tople vode od 40 galona koji je zgrada imala vodoinstalatersku instalaciju kada su stavili malu kuhinju u zajednički prostor... pre 5 godina. Kao što je uobičajeno, svi povratni kanali koji se vraćaju do ventila za rukovanje su ostavljeni sa nezaptivnim spojevima i curenjem. Svaki put kada bi AC udario na ventil za rukovanje usisavao bi vazduh iz povrata i izduvao ga kroz ostatak hodnika i zajedničke prostorije ove trospratnice. Nažalost, zbog spojeva koji propuštaju, umesto da samo uvlači vazduh kroz kanale, on je usisavao i vazduh iz mehaničke prostorije. Dovoljno vazduha da je usisavao vazduh nazad kroz dimnjak bojlera. Kada bi rezervoar za toplu vodu bio zapaljen i pravio toplu vodu, on bi napunio prostoriju CO i dimnim gasovima, a zatim bi i to pumpao kroz zgradu. Ceo vrh bojlera je bio pečen i braon kao i cev koji je bio blizu dimnjaka. To se dešavalo od prvog dana kada je postavljen rezervoar tople vode.

    Da, isključio sam ga, pokazao im šta se dešava i zašto i dao im preporuku da trajno reše problem (u ovom slučaju kada je instaliran električni bojler koji bi zamenio gasni).

    Razlog zašto ovo objavljujem je taj što je ovaj slučaj bio ekstreman, ali nažalost nije redak. To se ne dešava samo sa velikim zgradama poput ove u kojoj sam ja bio, već se isto tako lako može desiti i u kućama. Vodoinstalater je u ovom slučaju bio upravo to, vodoinstalater, a ne HVAC čovek. Čovek za HVAC koji je servisirao klima uređaj nije bio vodoinstalater. Dakle, nijedna druga osoba nije dala drugi pogled na opremu.

    Slušajte ljudi, ako dobijete račun za gas za grejanje/toplu vodu... stavite detektor ugljen-monoksida u sobu/podrum/garažu gde se nalazi ta oprema. Ako imate centralno ili prisilno grejanje vazduha, pogledajte sve kanale koji se vraćaju u uređaj za rukovanje (niski su povratni) i AKO imate i gasni grejač tople vode u toj istoj oblasti. Ako vidite male i pukotine na svakom spoju pogledajte kako biste otišli do kućnog depoa po neki zaptivač za kanale kao što je Mastik ili traka sa folijom sa oznakom URL (NEMA lepljive trake, brzo se suši i beskorisna je za ovo). Ako niste Handiperson tip, neka vaš serviser pogleda... I kupite detektor CO...

    KK Rant je završio

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Carbon Monoxide is dangerous.  My Dad went to a friend's family and passed away in that house because of leaking CO.  He happenned to sit in that room at that special moment.  No oxygen for him to breathe and only him in that room at a time.

    Ugljen monoksid je opasan. Moj tata je otišao u porodicu prijatelja i preminuo u toj kući zbog curenja CO. Slučajno je sedeo u toj sobi u tom posebnom trenutku. Nema kiseonika da diše i samo on u toj prostoriji.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I'm really sorry about your father Taadaa.  That's horrible.  I got carbon monoxide poisoning back in the 80's, and almost died myself.  My friends parents thought I was drunk again, although I really hadn't even touched a drop.  But no one believed me, because I was such a heavy drinker at the time.  I kept passing out..I finally found someone that new I wasn't drinking, and rushed me up to the hospitol, then they lost me up there, because I passed out in the bathroom..it was a trip.  But they gave me some oxygen, and I made it ok. But it was scary.  There's not a good thing about losing your dad, but at least you know he wasn't in any pain.  embarrassed 

    Zaista mi je žao zbog tvog oca Taadaa. To je strašno. Dobio sam trovanje ugljen-monoksidom još 80-ih, i zamalo sam umro. Moji prijatelji roditelji su mislili da sam ponovo pijan, iako zaista nisam ni kap ni pipnuo. Ali niko mi nije verovao, jer sam tada bio jako pijanac. Konačno sam našla nekog novog koga nisam pila, i odjurila me u bolnicu, a onda su me izgubili tamo gore, jer sam se onesvestila u kupatilu.. bio je to izlet. Ali dali su mi malo kiseonika i uradio sam sve u redu. Ali bilo je strašno. Nije dobra stvar u gubitku oca, ali barem znaš da ga nije bolelo. embarrassed

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Carbon Monoxide is known as the silent killer precisely because it is colorless, odorless and tasteless. My condolences to you TAADAA on your loss but it just reinforces the validity of this post.

    Folks, if you have ANY appliance that uses gas or fuel oil... make sure you have a CO detector in your home as well. Even an oven that uses gas has a potential for the hazard as it is often not vented to the outdoors.

    Gas and Fuel oil can be a very cost effective, safe and sane option for heating your homes... but with it comes should come some simple safety equipment.

    (Can anyone tell this is a pet Peeve?)

    Ugljenmonoksid je poznat kao tihi ubica upravo zato što je bezbojan, bez mirisa i ukusa. Moje saučešće vam TAADAA na vašem gubitku, ali to samo pojačava validnost ovog posta.

    Ljudi, ako imate BILO KOJI uređaj koji koristi gas ili lož ulje... uverite se da imate i CO detektor u svom domu. Čak i pećnica koja koristi gas ima potencijal za opasnost jer se često ne ispušta napolje.

    Gas i lož ulje mogu biti veoma isplativa, bezbedna i razumna opcija za grejanje vaših domova... ali sa njima bi trebalo da dođe i neka jednostavna sigurnosna oprema.

    (Može li neko reći da je ovo kućni ljubimac Peeve?)

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    I personally appreciate you posting this Jimbeaux.  We just moved into an apartment building, however each unit has its own Gas heater and Gas furnace.  I never even thought about it until now.  I will be definitely getting a detector ASAP.  Thanks for the reminder hun.

    Lično cenim što ste objavili ovaj Jimbeauk. Upravo smo se uselili u stambenu zgradu, međutim svaka jedinica ima svoj plinski grijač i plinsku peć. Nikada do sada nisam ni razmišljao o tome. Definitivno ću dobiti detektor što pre. Hvala na podsetniku.

  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Carbon Monoxide is dangerous.  My Dad went to a friend's family and passed away in that house because of leaking CO.  He happenned to sit in that room at that special moment.  No oxygen for him to breathe and only him in that room at a time.
    So sorry honey..what a heartbreaking experience for you. To suddenly lose someone without warning is so difficult to prepare for.

    Lips

    Ugljen monoksid je opasan. Moj tata je otišao u porodicu prijatelja i preminuo u toj kući zbog curenja CO. Slučajno je sedeo u toj sobi u tom posebnom trenutku. Nema kiseonika da diše i samo on u toj prostoriji.
    Žao mi je dušo.. kakvo srceparajuće iskustvo za tebe. Iznenada izgubiti nekoga bez upozorenja je tako teško pripremiti se.

    Usne
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Carbon Monoxide is dangerous.  My Dad went to a friend's family and passed away in that house because of leaking CO.  He happenned to sit in that room at that special moment.  No oxygen for him to breathe and only him in that room at a time.
      So sorry for your loss hun.

    Ugljen monoksid je opasan. Moj tata je otišao u porodicu prijatelja i preminuo u toj kući zbog curenja CO. Slučajno je sedeo u toj sobi u tom posebnom trenutku. Nema kiseonika da diše i samo on u toj prostoriji.
    Žao mi je zbog vašeg gubitka.
  • Original engleski Prevod srpski

    Carbon Monoxide is dangerous.  My Dad went to a friend's family and passed away in that house because of leaking CO.  He happened to sit in that room at that special moment.  No oxygen for him to breathe and only him in that room at a time.


    My condolences Taaadaaa...I know that it's hard to lose someone you love

    Ugljen monoksid je opasan. Moj tata je otišao u porodicu prijatelja i preminuo u toj kući zbog curenja CO. Slučajno je sedeo u toj sobi u tom posebnom trenutku. Nema kiseonika da diše i samo on u toj prostoriji.


    Moje saučešće Taaadaaa...znam da je teško izgubiti nekoga koga voliš

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